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Thread: Weaponsmiths Verify exploited scatters!

Abbell
Sat Apr 17, 2004 5:22 am
#1

Well I need help.... I need some of my peers to help me examine this gun. I admit I have not made a run of scatters in ages, but I know it is an exploited weapon because no smith would waste 2 tissues to make a factory run of Scatter Pistols. I am posting this on both forums as these kinds of things have a negative affect on all of us. I had someone contact me saying he bought this uber scatter pistol for 4mil. Yet when he went back to the same shop there was another there with identical specs and same serial number. He sent me screen shots to confirm this. Having two identical slices on the same gun is rare enough, but the odds of the legit existance of these is way to low.


Take a look for yourselves:





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bboatstore
Sat Apr 17, 2004 5:29 am
#2

Being a master WS myself ive only seen this happen a few times once was when a guy edited it in photoshop to get this guy he hated banned another was when a guy was able to dupe a bunch of weapons. Seeing as both of them have the same serial code this was either done with an editing program or there is a new dupe floating around.
Jayce_J
Sat Apr 17, 2004 6:56 am
#3

Wouldn;t the factory run of pistols have the same serial? I rarely use factories.. so not sure on that.



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Milkent
Sat Apr 17, 2004 7:37 am
#4

Since the one is sliced and they have the same stats that stands to reason that they would both have to be sliced. So there are two pistols with the same serial that got the same exact slice??? I'm not the most knowledgeable WS out there granted, but I have a hard time seeing this occuring. Something here is fishy, and its not the Mon Calamari...



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NisiDaca
Sat Apr 17, 2004 7:58 am
#5

its happened to before..but the odds are way against it.


As for factory making krayt stuff, sure if you got 5-6 same serial and want to make scatters, why nto sacrifce one good experiment to a schematic? Saves you from screwing up 1-2.



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SeaRaptor
Sat Apr 17, 2004 8:08 am
#6

Since the screen shot doesn't prove the thing was sliced, how can we be certain it was? Some exceptional krayt tissue could produce those numbers without a slice, and thus would enable him to do a factory run of pistols with that tissue (leaving them all with the same serial number).


You're going to have to put up a bit more evidence than this to prove these are exploited.





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AspiringBountyHunter
Sat Apr 17, 2004 8:34 am
#7

Why would you not make a factory run of krayt scatters? If you have a set of 5 or 6 tissues and you know that you can move 3 or 4 krayt scatters in short order, thats alot of cash for very little work.


The slice is no big deal. I had two of my power hammers from a factroy crate sliced for the same percentage in a two minute period. So, there are two identical weapons.





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warrenowen
Sat Apr 17, 2004 8:50 am
#8

I've never made a krayt weapon, but I work with a slicer.


Look at the speed of the weapon, it looks like a speed slice to me (but I am prepared to be corrected - see previous sentence). If it was originally 1.2 speed then anything from around 15% to 25% slice would show as 1.0speed, an awfully good chance that he got two speed slices in a band where they actually are 0.95 to 1.04 speed, which will show as 1.0 speed (I guess they are rounded this, rather than always up or down, but again I stand to be corrected).


My Smuggler friend always complains of this with fast weapon speed slices, the percentages don't matter much as it shows rounded to such a level that their appears to be little variation (whether all 1.0 speed pistols are the same is another matter, but it doesn't help show that to a customer).


Its 1 in 2 shot that he he gets a speed slice the second time, and 1 in 2 that it is a mid-band slice hitting the same 1.0 speed, so this is going to happen 25% in my estimation. No evidence of exploit in my book.





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Trean
Sat Apr 17, 2004 9:18 am
#9

So lets give the guy the benefit of the doubt....


378 max damage / 1.35 (aka 35% damage slice) = 280 max damage


My scatters without Krayt tissue are 160, so this would take a take like a +120 max damage tissue with -1 speed or so.



Now lets take away that benefit, most weaponsmiths no matter how new they are put "krayt" in the name if it contains tissue, so maybe he/she forgot, but odds are that this is exploited normal scatter.





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Dodece
Sat Apr 17, 2004 10:30 am
#10

Well to be logical about it. Perfectly conceivable. Someone brings in some rare krayt tissue, and says. Make me a dxr or something like that. You take some tissues as payment, and thus you might make scatters out of the remaining. It is possible to get guns like thing. In my oppinion hard but not inpossible. Being that its your server you would have a idea of the quality of you materials. If the persons power handlers usually do 20 20 if the resources for the barrel are good, and you have nice doonium.


Asfor the slice. Its very much a matter of timeing. Every so often you will get the exact same slice, and since the person obviously did thisin crate form He might have had up to ten of these. So the chances of getting two exact slices are not unreasonable.


It could be a complete hoax, but its possible. Just increadibly unlikely. Needing that you could have all the uber ingredients and a great successes throughout.


WerrtZer
Sat Apr 17, 2004 11:09 am
#11

I'm not gonna comment on whether I think these were exploited or not, but what I will say to the original poster is that no matter what you think of the the WS you are suspicious of, you could have had the decency to edit out his name in your Screenshot. Now this guy whether guilty or not guilty has had his name tarnished. I know if it were me being accused (whether in the wrong or right) I would not be happy with that, and I suspect neither would you.


PS I've often made crates of krayt scatters, since if you have a set of 7 and get 2 good exp rolls on the handler and first weapon, it makes sense to dodge the crit fails at the cost of one handler.



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MonroeThanes
Sun Apr 18, 2004 12:07 am
#12

exploited for sure, the slicing tag can be seen on the weapons, if someone else has the same thing, thats 3 identical, thats extremely rare



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Abbell
Sun Apr 18, 2004 12:08 am
#13






WerrtZer wrote:

I'm not gonna comment on whether I think these were exploited or not, but what I will say to the original poster is that no matter what you think of the the WS you are suspicious of, you could have had the decency to edit out his name in your Screenshot. Now this guy whether guilty or not guilty has had his name tarnished. I know if it were me being accused (whether in the wrong or right) I would not be happy with that, and I suspect neither would you.


PS I've often made crates of krayt scatters, since if you have a set of 7 and get 2 good exp rolls on the handler and first weapon, it makes sense to dodge the crit fails at the cost of one handler.







As I did not do the screenshot I am unable to remove the name. I did confirm this item on vendor and in trade window to make sure the person supplying the the screenshot originally was not playing photoshop on me....You are correct, however, and more discretion should have been used on my part. I do not make crates of any single tissue guns personally. I feel it is a waste of a tissue. But I also only use my left over tissues to make one tissue guns.






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