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Ybagi

Wed Dec 08, 2004 9:16 am

I have never sold sliced weapons before but have always been curious about the potential and many of my customers have requested it. So I decided to do a little experiment to see what would happen.

We recently had some amazing resource shifts on Lowca that have really improved the quality of Flamethrowers; 861-476 4.5 now.

So I went out and had 100 of these sliced for 500k and ended up with 52 damage slices 47 speed slices and one failed slice(its sliced but no stat change?)

Loaded them on a new sliced vendor 350k for the 35% damage slices(1162 max), 300k for 35% speed slices(3.0 speed). And prices gradually lower down to 75k-50k for a 20% and everything under 20k with the failure priced at 1k

I did all this on Saturday, not one sale yet.

My non-sliced vendor has been business as usual so I’m not sure what is going on.

I thought the prices were very low considering I will probably get stuck with most of the speed and lower damage slices, but not even one sale has me baffled.

What kind of pricing does everone else use?

Yv
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Zarny

Wed Dec 08, 2004 9:17 am

#2

Your pricing is fine. Just give it time. They will sell.

Due to the rarity of commandos, flamethrowers are not hot sellers.

Try Vks, Power Hammers, T21s, and Stun batons.

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Tautology

Thu Dec 09, 2004 10:49 am

#3

No grudge, but 350K for a sliced unenhanced flamer?

I sell these sliced for 25K (unenhanced, unslicedstats 888 max spd 4.4), because with all costs calculated I end up at about 5k production cost (including resources, harvester,opportunity cost and slice)

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Ybagi

Thu Dec 09, 2004 11:31 am

#4

Tautology wrote:

No grudge, but 350K for a sliced unenhanced flamer?

I sell these sliced for 25K (unenhanced, unslicedstats 888 max spd 4.4), because with all costs calculated I end up at about 5k production cost (including resources, harvester,opportunity cost and slice)

Well you might be right because they aren't selling...

but if thats the case I'm not selling sliced anymore because its not worth it, my unsliced ones have been selling for 35-40k depending on my mood when I'm stocking, so basically my sliced price is10x for a perfect slice (out of 100 there were only 2 which was about what I expected).

I figured I needed a good balance where it would be better for the customer to buy sliced rather than crates of unsliced and 10x was the number I decided on as something that would work for all my weapons that I would slice and sell.

You have to know that all of them aren't 350k,many are priced below what I would sell for unsliced because of low or speed slice and the good slices have to make up for that.

As far as cost including opportunity cost being only 5k, thats a laugh, slices are 5k alone, cost of collecting resources(your time is valuable,and maintenance)maintenance on structures and vendors, time value of money for credits being tied up in inventory.....

Yv
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CorenLanra

Thu Dec 09, 2004 1:07 pm

#5

I agree... At one point I could sell a 3.0 speed 845max Flamer for 1mil (sold 2 or 3 one night) but that day is long gone.

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EdOWar

Thu Dec 09, 2004 2:40 pm

#6

Ybagi wrote:

So I went out and had 100 of these sliced for 500k and ended up with 52 damage slices 47 speed slices and one failed slice(its sliced but no stat change?)

This means the smuggler whosliced this FTscrewed up and accidently cut the wrong wire. Slicing never fails, so long as you're careful to cut the correct wires (which is 100% accurate using mol clamps).

I used to sell sliced weapons. I even destroyed any weapon with less than 25% damage slice and less than 30% speed slice. I was still being stuck with lots of undesired speed and low-end damage slices no one wanted...and my prices were pretty reasonable (5x base price for a 35% damage slice).

So now I just sell unsliced weapons. I made far more money selling weapons in crates so that people could get their own weapons sliced, than I ever did selling sliced weapons directly.

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CTRL_ALT

Thu Dec 09, 2004 2:58 pm

#7

Did you have a master smuggler slice them?

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Ybagi

Thu Dec 09, 2004 3:02 pm

#8

CTRL_ALT wrote:

Did you have a master smuggler slice them?

Yes, I received some 35% slices and I don't think anything was below 16%

I guess one missed wire isn't bad out of 100 but I'm curious about what the clamps do?

Yv
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EdOWar

Thu Dec 09, 2004 4:43 pm

#9

Ybagi wrote:

CTRL_ALT wrote:

Did you have a master smuggler slice them?

Yes, I received some 35% slices and I don't think anything was below 16%

I guess one missed wire isn't bad out of 100 but I'm curious about what the clamps do?

When you slice, you are given a choice of two wires to cut: red and blue. They have to be cut in the correct order, but it's different for each attempt. So you basically have a 50/50 chance of getting it right. If you cut the wrong wire, then the slice can 'fail' with no bonus to the item, and it can't be sliced again.

FANs (I forget what it stands for) give a 75% chance to telling you the correct wire to cut first. Molecular Clamps give a 100% chance of telling you the correct wire to cut first. If you use Molecular Clamps, you can't 'fail', unless you mess up and accidently cut the wrong wire.

All for-profit smugglers use mol clamps to slice...it's the only way they could build up a return customer base (no one is going to back to a smuggler who messes up a slice 50%, or even25%, of the time). It sounds like the person who did the slicing for you probably got distracted, or they blanked out fora second, and cut the wrong wire. I did that once (and only once, hehe).

Slim Vargo, Corbantis

Zarny

Thu Dec 09, 2004 9:25 pm

#10

FAN - Flow Analyzer Node

And molecular clamps come so cheap anyone not using them needs to get their head examined... This isn't July '03 here.

ZarnKano

Willbaby

Fri Dec 10, 2004 1:08 am

#11

Tautology wrote:
No grudge, but 350K for a sliced unenhanced flamer?
I sell these sliced for 25K (unenhanced, unsliced stats 888 max spd 4.4), because with all costs calculated I end up at about 5k production cost (including resources, harvester, opportunity cost and slice)

i can never understand people priceing structure when they do this? , i mean sliced flamer for 25k , are we talking a high damage slice here? as i think its a pain getting those high damage slices , u end up with loads of unwanted products for just an extra 10k on 1 weapon?

its for this reason i dont really slice normall weapons , only some enahnced ones . i just sell crates of normall ones and the customer can get an idea of value of good slices by seeing first hand how unpredictable they can be .

Message Edited by Willbaby on 12-09-2004 12:11 PM

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dsurfman

Fri Dec 10, 2004 3:24 am

#12

Your ideal situation is to get in bed with a master smuggler, one perferably in your guild and in the same city. I have one in my guild and we have been in business together now for over 6 months. We sell nothing but sliced weapons and it is great for me because I pay him only 1500 per slice. But I still sell my weapons WAY below market value for sliced. Like, for instance, I pretty much give away a DAM sliced Krayt laser rifle for 50k. But hell I get the krayt from guild hunts, get the slice for 1500 only really use maybe 3k worth of material...I make out damn good like that. Most of all I can rest easy knowing that I didnt cheat the community out of there money!

But it really isnt cheating for those that do price gouge. If someone will pay why not sell it at that price? I just dont do it...

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Bachreus

Mon Dec 13, 2004 3:07 pm

#13

No grudge, but 350K for a sliced unenhanced flamer?

I sell these sliced for 25K (unenhanced, unslicedstats 888 max spd 4.4), because with all costs calculated I end up at about 5k production cost (including resources, harvester,opportunity cost and slice)

I sell my unsliced flamers for 30k. I sell about 10 a week. thats fine buisness for me. Your flamers are are bit better than mine too. I think you are giving the stuff away.

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