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Thread: Actually surviving longer without Knucklers.

dnm998
Thu Aug 07, 2003 4:24 am
#1

I went around just fighting stuff and for the hell of it, took off my knucklers. With out the extra HAM requirements from their use, I was lasting forever. The only thing taking hits was my Action bar. Any health or mind, was quickly restored in a camp. I may just go bareknuckles from now on.



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Pyradius
Thu Aug 07, 2003 4:43 am
#2

I've been doing a lot of Imperial Missions lately, and I find I last a lot longer by fighting barehanded and using lots of specials against them.When it comes to fighting multiple opponents, it can be more efficient to actually burn a little HAM to kill them faster. Otherwise they continue to tear into you with damaging range weapons.



Otrissk the Trandoshan
Teräs Käsi Master
Sinking Ranger, Rising CH
YulinaBrynner
Thu Aug 07, 2003 5:29 am
#3

The best tactic you'll ever master as a TK is learning how to take your Knucklers off before any special, and putting them back on once you start doing normal attacks. The chance to get the special effect for the special is the same either way, and you are wasting time and HAM if you are just spamming specials over and over to kill them since you can fit in so many normal attacks once you've got the specials affecting the opponent.


The only special I make an exception for with this is UnarmedHit when I am trying to dish out as much damage as possible as fast as I can and I have a lot of HAM currently to burn with little chance of needing it immediately after the fight.


There is no HAM cost for doing normal attacks, so you are hurting yourself from a damage output standpoint if you go purely bare knuckles. Not only do you do more damage per hit, but you also hit faster. The only reason I can see doing normal attacks bare knuckles is for role playing reasons.


Yulina Brynner

Pyradius
Thu Aug 07, 2003 5:44 am
#4

Not really, you're assuming that I would not be doing specials. If you are simply going to do standard attacks then that is obvious. My point was I do more damage using unarmed specials than I do with knuckles on. Sometimes it is advantageous to kill your target more quickly so that you can move onto the next one. I am soloing challenge level 40 imperial missions, and when I have 3 other even cons firing guns at me, I need to take them out quickly.




Otrissk the Trandoshan
Teräs Käsi Master
Sinking Ranger, Rising CH
Seiryuu
Thu Aug 07, 2003 8:19 am
#5

If you want the best of both, get looted knucklers. Their HAM costs aren't bugged and they're reasonably fast at 2.5 speed. You'll have a small boost in damage and can still use your specials just as much as barehanded.

Even those that like switching to use specials can benefit from looted knucklers. Switch to them instead of your fist when doing specials. You get the same reduced HAM effect while still having a slight damage and speed bonus.



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Mister_Heavy
Thu Aug 07, 2003 9:06 am
#6

Really? I've never heard that the specials cost on looted knucklers is low. Heh I've looted quite a few from Nyms as well. I just never looked.



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Wagadodo
Thu Aug 07, 2003 11:13 am
#7

I am waiting for Vibro knucklers HAM's to be able to be expreminted down to zero. I am going to see if I can find a Weaponsmith that will make one for me. If there is anything left then have them take down speed and raise up damage equally and then take to a Smuggler and get it sliced.



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FortunoFiasco
Thu Aug 07, 2003 4:16 pm
#8

Very good point Wagadogo


I've been trying to find such VK on Starsider and was unable to... All weaponsmith always concentrate on dmg and speed and never consider reducing the HAM cost. I even mailed some of them and never got a response... I think I'm going to post for that either on Starsider or on the weaponsmith forum...




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Scix
Fri Aug 08, 2003 2:03 am
#9

Last I heard from a weaponsmith, there's a bug not allowing them to drop VK HAM costs as we'd like. I think that's also what a previous poster was referring to when he said looted VKs' HAMs aren't bugged.
Ashler
Fri Aug 08, 2003 5:01 am
#10

I agree, for the serious multi-opponent fights... I myself have found it is much better to fight without VK's. Course when I speak to other TK's, they look at me like I told them the world was "round". <wink>


Peace,


Liskino the trandoshan


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