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Thread: Hey did you here? We'er Exploiters now...
KingSnake777 wrote:
I'm still alittle miffed at being called an explorter back when i was a ch... (anyone here remeber that little slip of the tonge?)
I'll admit right now... TH lost alot of points with me way back then... and has lost even more now...
Laeren wrote:
I think his use of the word "exploit" was probably a mistake of grammar, rather than a sentiment.
"This move is too easily taken advantage of" is probably what he meant.
Cut the guy some slack...
Lighten up on the guy...
No.
Let me tell you why. Believe it or not it has nothing to do with the word exploit at all. It's the whole attitude behind it. To truly understand, you needed to be a ch back when the big hammer was about to be dropped... AGAIN.
Round about that time TH made the infamous "explorer" post about ch's and they’re Graul Maulers.
In a nut shell he said people only training CH to 3 2 0 0 for a graul mauler was exploiting the system... (Like we some how hacked the game and bent it to our will... also keep in mind that this was a FIX THEY installed after the whole novices with rancor’s crap...)
People revolted over this. We were told we were cheating simply by playing the game with in the rules and skill cert system THEY setup, and UPDATED. (Remember, in the beginning novices could call rancors... THIS was the FIXED cert system...)
It was obvious to anyone TH insulted us. We may have been somewhat over reacting, but, still, we were insulted. Now, what did your mother (or father, or grandmother our who ever raised you) teach you to do when you insult someone, even if accidentally? Apologize. (Well mine did anyway.) Did TH apologize? I'm sure he thinks he did, but in actuality what he did was justify himself, tell us we were over reacting (in much the same words you used.) and STILL, STILL said we were TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THE SYSTEM... (what gual. I’d never dearm of talking to a customer like that… yeah I deal with customers, it’s part of my job. I have room to speak.)
THAT'S WHAT PISSED ME OFF. He didn't say, hey look I’m sorry to offend you, I know that's a touchy word... nope none of that. And on top of that he tried to blame the crummy games imbalances and shortcomings on US
He didn't own up to the dev's mistakes. He didn't say... "Hey guys, we didn't realize at the time that we overlooked how easy GM's were to get, and how easily they could be worked into other combat classes... our bad, sorry, but we have to fix it."
Nope, it was..."guys, we got some punks exploiters taking advantages of our system and they are forcing us to nerf you..."
His resent post has the same ring to it.
Our system is being taken advantage of by the players, and that's forcing us to nerf...
When he should say.
We didn't really give much forethought or testing into seeing how powerful knockdown can be, especially in pvp. We didn’t put 2 and 2 together and relize when mixed with dizzy and delay attacks, you could keep a person on his back the whole fight… yeah each skill is doing excatily what we ment to do… but we didn’t think it’s work so well… we know we added a knockdown timer… because this was a problem form the get go… but we thought we fixed it… Guess we didn’t fix it enough… We also forgot to put in workable ways to overcome these skills after they land. Oh, and our defenses to these attacks are too low... Oppss. Our bad. We’ll fix it now...
That's what makes me angry. He's trying to pass the buck onto US for their shortcomings, instead of owning up to their mistakes.
I can't stand people like that... It's just how I am. It's just how I feel.
And what's worse is, it's this guys JOB to be a customer relations specialist... and he acts this way... I'd get fired if I treated our customers like that...
King Snake.
KingSnake777 wrote:
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TH seems to feel Knockdown is being exploited. Yeah it's not just us i know....
I'm still alittle miffed at being called an explorter back when i was a ch... (anyone here remeber that little slip of the tonge?)
I'll admit right now... TH lost alot of points with me way back then... and has lost even more now...
I don't like it when they blame there short sightness, and there MISTAKES on use... passing the buck...
"oh, the system we build works fine... it's just people keep exploiting it and forcing us to make changes..."
how exactily are we exploiting Knockdown? Honestly...
KingSnake (it may bepetty, but itstill touched a nerve....)
Well I wrote a nice long letter saying why you are corect King but for some reason it says there is HTML in it so it is destroyed. votes for Kingsnake opnion +1 here
Two Things:
1) This probably has more to do with Carbineers and Charge Shot not being on a timer
2) TH has also mentioned the the combat "balance" further addressesour kiting issue
So, if a change is made to KD (either by increasing KD defense in certain professions or reducing the effectiveness of a KD / Dizzy) it sounds like they'll be adding something else to help the melee profs. control kiters...
That said, TH tosses the word "exploit" around way too freely. It doesn't matter what we think he meant to say; the simple fact is that people get banned for exploiting the system.
Players naturally find a way to "game" the system to use it to our full advantage. That's what is being done with KD / Dizzy. TH just needs to understand that there is a HUGE difference between gaming the system and exploiting the system. Right now he uses the two words interchangeably and it needs to stop.
Col. Cristos Diaz King Snake is a little volitile in pointing out his opinion, but the heart of it is true. If i treated customers that way at work i would get fired also. If i screwed up I wouldnt blame the customer. That TH dude really needs to chill out on dropping the "E" bomb so often especially when they are so proud of themselves for banning people for it. I guess every TK that used KD too much gets banned now?
Sosstuborx wrote:
Two Things:
1) This probably has more to do with Carbineers and Charge Shot not being on a timer
2) TH has also mentioned the the combat "balance" further addressesour kiting issue
So, if a change is made to KD (either by increasing KD defense in certain professions or reducing the effectiveness of a KD / Dizzy) it sounds like they'll be adding something else to help the melee profs. control kiters...
That said, TH tosses the word "exploit" around way too freely. It doesn't matter what we think he meant to say; the simple fact is that people get banned for exploiting the system.
Players naturally find a way to "game" the system to use it to our full advantage. That's what is being done with KD / Dizzy. TH just needs to understand that there is a HUGE difference between gaming the system and exploiting the system. Right now he uses the two words interchangeably and it needs to stop.
To say that KD moves are being exploited or even "overused" is absolutely asinine. It's like putting candy and lima beans in front of a 4 year old and telling them they are exploiting because they repeatedly reach for the candy rather than the lima beans. If its there, its the developers fault ENTIRELY, and you cannot fault the players for using it. If you don't want people using it so much, change how it is implemented. Don't call people exploiters or even "overusers" because of the development team's continued shortsightedness.