Teras Kasi Archive
Thread: Melee class comparison
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Spuzzed
Fri Jul 09, 2004 11:30 pm
#1
I thought that we could finally use a post that compared the melee classes to better help people who have questions with which template to best use to compliment TKA
If any of you are also master Fencers, Pikeman, or Swordsman, as well as master TKA. Your input and comparisons of those classes to TKA would be very helpful.
Heres the comparisons. (If any of these numbers are off please let me know, I got these numbers from the padawan.org site)
Accuracy
TKA: 205
Fencer: 150
Swordsman: 130
Pikeman 150
TKA wins it makes sense that its easier to aim a fist than it is to aim a sword.
Speed
TKA: 125
Fencer: 90
Swordsman: 75
Pikeman: 75
TKA wins, again youre much quicker swinging your fists than you are a sword.
Toughness
TKA: 57
Fencer: 32
Swordsman: 43
Pikeman: 26
TKA wins. I personally dont understand this unless you argue the fact that weve trained and hardened our bodies as a martial art.
Melee Defense
TKA: 62
Fencer: 74
Swordsman: 20
Pikeman: 30
Fencer wins. Perhaps the argument here is that 2 handed swords and pikes are to heavy to effectively block incoming melee...
Ranged Defense
TKA: 45
Fencer: 69
Swordsman: 15
Pikeman: 25
Fencer wins. Im stumped as to how any melee class has defense against ranged, but maybe they use the same reasoning as melee defense...
Def vs Blind
TKA: 10
Fencer: 40
Swordsman: 10
Pikeman: 20
Fencer wins this one.
Def vs Posture Change
TKA: 30
Fencer: 50
Swordsman: 10
Pikeman: 30
Fencer wins.
Def vs Stun
TKA: 15
Fencer: 0
Swordsman: 50
Pikeman: 50
Tie between Swordsman and Pikeman, dont know if I missed Fencer or if its really like that.
Def vs Dizzy
TKA: 5
Fencer: 40
Swordsman: 20
Pikeman: 40
Tie between Fencer and Pikeman. TKA kinda got the shaft.
Def vs Knockdown
TKA: 20
Fencer: 50
Swordsman: 25
Pikeman: 20
Fencer takes the cake.
Def vs Intimidate
TKA: 0
Fencer: 20
Swordsman: 20
Pikeman: 0
Swords get love I guess
Let it be known that while TKA gets a bonus to unarmed damage (245) it lacks the defense mods that the other classes enjoy. Im talking about dodge, counterattack, and block.
Fencer Dodge: 105
Swordsman Counterattack: 100
Pikeman Block: 115
TKA won in the following areas: Accuracy, speed, toughness. This would suggest that TKA's are expected to be fast hitting tanks.
Fencer won in the following areas: Melee defense, ranged defense, def vs blind, def vs posture change, def vs dizzy, def vs knockdown, def vs intimidate. Fencers seem to be the class that gets to avoid negative effects as well as hits (dodge)
Swordsman won in the following areas: def vs stun, def vs intimidate. Swordsman however get very high damage output from their attacks and are the melee class that targets the mind pool.
Pikeman won in the following areas: def vs stun, def vs dizzy. Not very speedy or tough, but Pikeman do however get a lot of area attacks, as well as varied damage types. Its the only melee class to get an "electric" damage type making it a good class for a variety of PvE damage.
If any of you have anything to imput as a master of another melee class, (Fencer, Swordsman, Pikeman) please add your comments to better help the melee player base.
If any of you are also master Fencers, Pikeman, or Swordsman, as well as master TKA. Your input and comparisons of those classes to TKA would be very helpful.
Heres the comparisons. (If any of these numbers are off please let me know, I got these numbers from the padawan.org site)
Accuracy
TKA: 205
Fencer: 150
Swordsman: 130
Pikeman 150
TKA wins it makes sense that its easier to aim a fist than it is to aim a sword.
Speed
TKA: 125
Fencer: 90
Swordsman: 75
Pikeman: 75
TKA wins, again youre much quicker swinging your fists than you are a sword.
Toughness
TKA: 57
Fencer: 32
Swordsman: 43
Pikeman: 26
TKA wins. I personally dont understand this unless you argue the fact that weve trained and hardened our bodies as a martial art.
Melee Defense
TKA: 62
Fencer: 74
Swordsman: 20
Pikeman: 30
Fencer wins. Perhaps the argument here is that 2 handed swords and pikes are to heavy to effectively block incoming melee...
Ranged Defense
TKA: 45
Fencer: 69
Swordsman: 15
Pikeman: 25
Fencer wins. Im stumped as to how any melee class has defense against ranged, but maybe they use the same reasoning as melee defense...
Def vs Blind
TKA: 10
Fencer: 40
Swordsman: 10
Pikeman: 20
Fencer wins this one.
Def vs Posture Change
TKA: 30
Fencer: 50
Swordsman: 10
Pikeman: 30
Fencer wins.
Def vs Stun
TKA: 15
Fencer: 0
Swordsman: 50
Pikeman: 50
Tie between Swordsman and Pikeman, dont know if I missed Fencer or if its really like that.
Def vs Dizzy
TKA: 5
Fencer: 40
Swordsman: 20
Pikeman: 40
Tie between Fencer and Pikeman. TKA kinda got the shaft.
Def vs Knockdown
TKA: 20
Fencer: 50
Swordsman: 25
Pikeman: 20
Fencer takes the cake.
Def vs Intimidate
TKA: 0
Fencer: 20
Swordsman: 20
Pikeman: 0
Swords get love I guess
Let it be known that while TKA gets a bonus to unarmed damage (245) it lacks the defense mods that the other classes enjoy. Im talking about dodge, counterattack, and block.
Fencer Dodge: 105
Swordsman Counterattack: 100
Pikeman Block: 115
TKA won in the following areas: Accuracy, speed, toughness. This would suggest that TKA's are expected to be fast hitting tanks.
Fencer won in the following areas: Melee defense, ranged defense, def vs blind, def vs posture change, def vs dizzy, def vs knockdown, def vs intimidate. Fencers seem to be the class that gets to avoid negative effects as well as hits (dodge)
Swordsman won in the following areas: def vs stun, def vs intimidate. Swordsman however get very high damage output from their attacks and are the melee class that targets the mind pool.
Pikeman won in the following areas: def vs stun, def vs dizzy. Not very speedy or tough, but Pikeman do however get a lot of area attacks, as well as varied damage types. Its the only melee class to get an "electric" damage type making it a good class for a variety of PvE damage.
If any of you have anything to imput as a master of another melee class, (Fencer, Swordsman, Pikeman) please add your comments to better help the melee player base.
GuidoBria
Sat Jul 10, 2004 1:34 am
#3
TK receives some Defensive Acuity, I think that was described as the "number" that determines how often your dodges/counterattacks/blocks will come into play...maybe I got it confused but I think that's what it was.
Remember all TKM out there, you can master 3 elite of your chosen style of combat, so the toss really comes down to swordsman and pikeman, most will be master fencer/TKM.
All your really need to look at is def vs ____ as your ranged/melee will cap out either way, let's recap on what you said...
Pike has higher def vs blind/posturechange/dizzy
Where as Swordsman has higher def vs KD/intimidate and matches it in stun at 50.
Now I believe most people use intimidate as a main force to weaken their opponent, so for subbing a melee profession to compliment your Teras Kasi, I would suggest Swordsman over Pikeman, but this is pure statistics only.
Arafel_
Sat Jul 10, 2004 3:27 am
#4
some of your numbers are off a bit
TKM gets +250 unarmed damage
Swordsmen get +115 counterattack
Spuzzed
Sat Jul 10, 2004 9:17 am
#5
TKA get 96 defensive acuity, and 35 combat equilibrium.
Fencers get 10 alertness, and 10 combat equilibrium.
Fencers get 10 alertness, and 10 combat equilibrium.
Xika
Sat Jul 10, 2004 9:50 am
#6
alertnss is broke def acuity is broken achutlly i think everything you listed is broken :-/
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