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Thread: Unarmed defense same as Melee defense?

Malaik
Wed Jul 06, 2005 6:58 am
#1

I'm looking to buy a CA that has unarmed defense on it. Is it the same as melee defense?, or do they do the same thing but are 2 different defense stats..and types?



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Maystudly
Wed Jul 06, 2005 7:06 am
#2

They are separate, but stack to overall melee defense. You can have up to +25 melee defense and +25 unarmed defense via attachments.



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ZakDevil
Wed Jul 06, 2005 9:15 am
#3

Not sure if this is what your asking but, unarmed def only works if your unarmed.
sciguyCO
Wed Jul 06, 2005 10:57 am
#4

Here's the way I understand it to work:



  • Melee defense: this is your defensive stat against melee attacks (someone is swinging a sword at you). This is active no matter what you have equipped.

  • Ranged defense: this is your defensive stat against ranged attacks (someone is shooting at you).

  • {weapon} defense: this is your defensive bonus when wielding a particular weapon. Every weapon type has an associated defense bonus, although some profs give more weapon defense than others. This stat stacks on top of both melee defense and ranged defenseto get your total defense vs. those types of attacks.

So say you have a TKM / Master Smuggler template. You have:



  • +125 melee defense

  • +100 ranged defense

  • +75 unarmed defense

  • +20 pistol defense

You're fighting a Piket (which uses melee attacks). If you have a pistol equipped, your total melee defense = 125 + 20 = 145. If you are unarmed (or using a knuckler) your total melee defense = 125 + 75 = 200.


You kill the Piket, and move on to some stormtroopers around a PvE Imperial base. They start shooting at you, so now we're concerned with ranged defense. If you have a pistol equipped your ranged defense = 100 + 20 = 120. Unarmed = 100 + 75 = 175.


The +25 cap on skill tapes only looks at a single skill mod. So if you got +25 unarmed defense and +25 melee defense tapes, wearing them both gives you an effective +50 to your defense against melee attacks while fighting unarmed. If you switch to a pistol, you'll only get the +25 from the melee defense tape. If you're unarmed and being shot at, you'll only get the benefit from the +25 unarmed defense tape (since that also adds to your ranged defense).


Hope that helps.






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Malaik
Wed Jul 06, 2005 11:50 am
#5


Ok, so then that means that since i'm only melee prof.I basically only care for unarmed defense, melee defense, pistol defense and rifle defense cuz ranged defense will only work if i'm using a gun, Right? AmI understanding what you said correctly?



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sciguyCO
Thu Jul 07, 2005 12:28 am
#6






Malaik wrote:


Ok, so then that means that since i'm only melee prof.I basically only care for unarmed defense, melee defense, pistol defense and rifle defense cuz ranged defense will only work if i'm using a gun, Right? AmI understanding what you said correctly?





No, you've got them backwards. "Melee defense" is how well you defend against someone attacking you when they have a melee weapon. "Ranged defense" is how well you defend yourself against someone attacking you with a ranged weapon.


Pistol defense only gets added to your defense if you are using a pistol. Rifle defense only gets added if you're using a rifle. And these bonuses get added to both your base "melee defense" and "ranged defense" skills.


So the weapon being used by your opponent determines whether the game is checking your melee or ranged defense to determine chance of a hit landing on you and the damage done to you.


The weapon being used by you determines which "{weapon} defense" skill gets added to the melee/ranged defense.


So if you're going to be using just TK weapons (bare fists or knucklers) you only need to worry about "unarmed defense" tapes, not pistol, rifle, 2-handed sword, etc. "Unarmed defense" tapes will help against all opponents regardless of what they are attacking you with. Melee defense tapes will make you harder to hit when your opponent is using a melee weapon, but won't help if your opponent is using a gun.


If you wanted to maximize your defense for all situations, you'd probably want +25 unarmed defense, +25 melee defense, and +25 ranged defense.





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Malaik
Thu Jul 07, 2005 12:34 am
#7

If you wanted to maximize your defense for all situations, you'd probably want +25 unarmed defense, +25 melee defense, and +25 ranged defense.


Exactly whatI was looking for thank you very much!!! WOOT!!.



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