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Thread: CoB=Aura? Don't Think so!
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Melakum
Mon Jun 20, 2005 10:03 am
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Now i have come across a huge exodus in the debate for whether or not CoB and Aura are truely equal. Last night a friend of mine Jedi Master Lightsaber, 4004 enhancer, 4000 healer, 0040 defender, and i dueled, i am currently master swords, master doc, with tka 0400 for CoB, he and i only used CoB and Aura, no other buffs, and in all reality saber damage and swordsman damage are very close, his saber hit me for a range of 600-800, where i only hit him for 250-300 with my power hammer, i also missed more then he did, making me think is it really +500 for both Aura and CoB surely if it was he and i would hit for the same amount of damage, his defensive mods do not surpass mine especially with melee defense, yet he hit me for more then i could hit him, im not entirely sure anymore that the legend of CoB being as good as Aura is really true 
bikebum
Mon Jun 20, 2005 4:38 pm
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Melakum wrote:
Now i have come across a huge exodus in the debate for whether or not CoB and Aura are truely equal. Last night a friend of mine Jedi Master Lightsaber, 4004 enhancer, 4000 healer, 0040 defender, and i dueled, i am currently master swords, master doc, with tka 0400 for CoB, he and i only used CoB and Aura, no other buffs, and in all reality saber damage and swordsman damage are very close, his saber hit me for a range of 600-800, where i only hit him for 250-300 with my power hammer, i also missed more then he did, making me think is it really +500 for both Aura and CoB surely if it was he and i would hit for the same amount of damage, his defensive mods do not surpass mine especially with melee defense, yet he hit me for more then i could hit him, im not entirely sure anymore that the legend of CoB being as good as Aura is really true
First off, your listed template for him is incomplete and I cannot make a fair compairison as he still has 57 skillpoints left and would be grey to you in game AFAIK. With the template you showed, you should have completely outclassed him as his defenses would have been measly compaired to yours even with Aura running. That said, even with an incomplete template, his sabre accuracy is 40 points higher than your 2h accuracy and therefore "should" hit more. Why he was hitting for more damage and evading you more could lie within the missing parts of his template. The fact that you were only hitting him for 300 indicates that he is getting more than +10 innate jedi armor than indicated in the template you posted. I'm also curious if he was using his double bladed sabre?
Jeisyn
Tue Jun 21, 2005 10:33 am
#4
hmm...
it would be very difficult to "objectively" compare cob to aura.
also, take into effect your Innate Armor ... i'm not sure who has more at tka x4xx and defender xx4x... they should both be around 20 or 30 points. but check.
what i would do is arm a gun that neither of you has any skills or accuracy modifiers for, and just use ranged attack and see what the dmg comes out as.
use the same gone (trade it to eachother)
melee defense/ranged defense differences will also have an effect on the damage.
bikebum
Wed Jun 22, 2005 12:41 am
#5
Tanilith wrote:
why you wanna know about double bladed saber?
AFAIK they have the higher max hit (potential) compaired to the others? That may be a rumor as I have no data to back it up.
Zarqon
Wed Jun 22, 2005 1:57 am
#6
To do any kind of testing you at least need to include damage both before and after CoC/aura was used. My guess is that the jedi is doing more damage because his lightsaber has a much closer damage range than the hammer, thus not being effected as much. To test that as well, you will need 2-h weapons with a wide variety of minimum and maximum damages.
Melakum
Wed Jun 22, 2005 3:02 pm
#7
the incomplete part of his template makes sense sorta to why he has more defense then i, and it was my mistake, he is 4044 defender, still not alot of melee defense at all mainly geared toward ranged defensive mods, however his innate armor shouldnt have matched my 6000 padded and RIS armor combo i wore when i was swordsman, which CoB applies during wearing the armor, so his jedi innate armor shouldnt have thrown off the balance, as for the defensive mods he has none of the melee defense mods from jedi defender making me wonder further how my swordsman moves with an equipped power hammer reduced from my normal pvp hit of about 1100 to nearly 350, im not sure what im over looking here as to how his defensive mods are beating my offensive mods with a sword, he has a +20 from the FS melee defense, however including those would only give him about 70 melee defense at most, i am still perplexed
kilokat
Thu Jun 23, 2005 2:22 am
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Melakum wrote:
the incomplete part of his template makes sense sorta to why he has more defense then i, and it was my mistake, he is 4044 defender, still not alot of melee defense at all mainly geared toward ranged defensive mods, however his innate armor shouldnt have matched my 6000 padded and RIS armor combo i wore when i was swordsman, which CoB applies during wearing the armor, so his jedi innate armor shouldnt have thrown off the balance, as for the defensive mods he has none of the melee defense mods from jedi defender making me wonder further how my swordsman moves with an equipped power hammer reduced from my normal pvp hit of about 1100 to nearly 350, im not sure what im over looking here as to how his defensive mods are beating my offensive mods with a sword, he has a +20 from the FS melee defense, however including those would only give him about 70 melee defense at most, i am still perplexed
A lot of the damage difference lies in the minimum damages as was stated before. For example, my LS ( and it's not that good) has about 550ish min damage and 640ish max damage. My alt's PH has (I think, but don't quote me) about 300 min damage and 1140ish max. against a heavily defended opponent my LS will consistantly deal 2x the damage simply because the min damage is much higher and the damage range isa lot tighter. I can't go into exact details on the mechanics cause it's after 3 AM here and I just don't care enough, but I'm sure that someone else can do it for me.
Shanegru
Thu Jun 23, 2005 9:35 am
#9
4044 def gives you about 185 melee defense(the ranged def tree is the second one) Then you add on your +20 from FS as well that puts him at 205 melee def, +25 from clothes so 230. Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but I think Defender has the innate armor spread throughout all the trees. minus the master box and one tree he would still have somewhere in the range of +50 Innate jedi armor. Been a while since I looked at the mods and the bloodfin.org calc I believe is incorrect with the listings of the innate armor as I have +70 with master theirs only shows +54. And as the guy above said the damage range still takes into effect of mitigations and what not.
Probably wrong but /shrug
Probably wrong but /shrug
emptyminded
Fri Jun 24, 2005 1:15 am
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My alt is tkm mpikes mbrawler 0044 swordsman and i dueled a friend of mine that is mdefender mls 4400 healer and my defenses are around 308 melee defense without foods (havent tried with them yet) then if you add in cob and sword flurry it would be in insane, well i dueled him and addded with ruby and 1200 stims i easily lasted for around 5 min i eventually lost from running out of foods but during ioutdamaged him with a 940 1.5speed VL and i took around 120-150 damage while using a 4th gen DB he was taking nearly 150-170 plus after intim he was doing around 100-130 so from just this raw material id say cob WOULD indeed =aura, but throw in the right foods and right skills you could easily best aura
Message Edited by emptyminded on 06-24-2005 03:16 AM
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