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Thread: Dueling as a TK
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Maztag
Tue Mar 01, 2005 8:48 pm
#1
Ok first off I'm not a new to the TK profession, been a tk off and on sense a few weeks after launch (Took that long to get novice lol). My question is what is that tatic most of you use during dueling? Personaly i love the whole game but dueling is by far the best part of it for me. My temp is TKM, master brawler, 4-4-4-0 in fencer, 0-0-4-0 and the rest in FS.I try and duel unarmored becasue if i duel people armored it mostly goes like this: in hte middle of the duel me-" Wanma just call it a draw? we aren't damageing each other at all" them-"sure, i guess we are evenly matched" me-"lets try again with out armor" if they say i can usaly get them pretty fast
As for my tatics it depends on who im dueling, if its a ranged person that i know will kite i generaly will warcry/intim and then apply dizzy as the first state and try to do lunge 1 and lunge 2 to KD them if they are running. after that its just keeping states on and pounding away
If its a person with relativly little def or just somebody who has not dueled before i generaly wont KD them just because i think its kinda mean if they are totaly lost.
If its another melee def stacker like my self then im in for a struggle. Basicly keep states on and go for mind. start off with warcry/intim stun, blind, dizzy, kd then UA hit 3 but if they are regening their health to much i'll do mind. if im low on HAM i go for combo1 becasue it takes almost no ham.
so what do you TKs do during duels?
Loial_alThor
Tue Mar 01, 2005 11:00 pm
#2
i just duel cocky jedi and put them in their place :] which is what teras kasi are meant to do
this is what i do
dizzy
stun
intimidate
knockdown1 and 2 (if they are stunned and intimidated, you can kd them most of the time even if they ate thaktillo)
unarmedhit3 for a long time
make sure they are constnantly intimidated, stunned, dizzyed, they will spend more force healing that stuff then healing their wounds from doing damage at first.
after they have used so much force they will have to use channel, which will lower their mind stat more than health or action (i have found this to be so it seems)
after hitting their health for so long, thats all they'll look at, get their health to 3/4 , switch to hitting mind, they won't notice, mind incap em cuz they weren't lookin.. ohh yeahhh
lunge doesn't do anything to jedi, they can fight on their knees with all normal specials
Njoos
Wed Mar 02, 2005 3:02 am
#3
First off is to make sure your opponent is intimidated, and I usually warcry a lot. Other than that i kd/dizzy him so that he stays down, then i hit him hard with unarmed hit 3.
I use Center of Being too, depends on my opponents skills and damage.
Message Edited by Njoos on 03-02-2005 11:02 AM
ob-gli
Wed Mar 02, 2005 7:35 am
#4
you guys should memntion what foods you like to use aswell.. mainly the guy who beats up jedi,im allways interested in knowing what kinda foods your on. i think thats the most important part of dueling.
oh ya and never duel with armor on,its pretty pointless like the original posters says they just end up peace/out of the duel cause no damage goes threw,or minimal damage does. or agree to wear one peice of armor each ..but fully armored kinda sucks with 80 kin armor around.
i was reading an interesting post in the BH forum too about wearing armor when fighting jedi just because the light armor rating helps a bit to reduce the damage. its not confirmed by me personaly but i will try it out. my friend allways tells me how he allways dueled people without armor as a tkm and never lost even to fully armored people . i find that a crock of BS myself as ive never seen it but he allways told me to go unarmored because are damage ouput increases ,but i never noticed it.
oh ya and never duel with armor on,its pretty pointless like the original posters says they just end up peace/out of the duel cause no damage goes threw,or minimal damage does. or agree to wear one peice of armor each ..but fully armored kinda sucks with 80 kin armor around.
i was reading an interesting post in the BH forum too about wearing armor when fighting jedi just because the light armor rating helps a bit to reduce the damage. its not confirmed by me personaly but i will try it out. my friend allways tells me how he allways dueled people without armor as a tkm and never lost even to fully armored people . i find that a crock of BS myself as ive never seen it but he allways told me to go unarmored because are damage ouput increases ,but i never noticed it.
Message Edited by ob-gli on 03-02-2005 09:41 AM
bhog
Wed Mar 02, 2005 3:07 pm
#5
MIne is quite simple really. Knock em down then hammer away for damage with unarmed hit 3 for tkm
Tan-Dom
Wed Mar 02, 2005 3:48 pm
#6
I never noticed a damage increase without armor, but i have noticed that with 1000 mind 900 willpower and 500 focus (damn zabbies) and two shots of brandy in the 430 rangeand armor on with a VK equiped you will still use mind to do specials. now if you have a musicianbuff that changes things....so my philosiphy is this...the less damage you do to your self the more you can take!!
so i ALWAYS duel unarmored and win substantialy more than i lose..about 1 lose for every 5 wins to be honest and 9 times out of 10 i go for the mind incap. because its the hardest to heal
Here is a good thing to remember too....if you are a TKM dueling a TKM when you are both loaded with status effects you will stand there and blast each other for a whopping 40 to 60 damage and the guy with the best KD defense is gonna win that one. But if you are a TKM fighting almost any other Proff in the game you willtake almostHalf the damage the other guywillwith all the same status effects
(I.E. TKM/Swordsman Vs. TKM/Fencer if he switches to fencer in the middle of the fight...you almost certainly win because he loses UA toughness and increases the amount of Damage you can do to him). but you probably already know all this crap so i'll stop babling...LOL
black-eye
Thu Mar 03, 2005 6:00 am
#7
duelling with composite armor equipped isnt a TKs field.... mostly no chance to get through the 80-90% protection + mitigation.... therefor a TKM with decent defenses is a real challenge in unarmored combat for every other profession, this is why so many BH have TK skills nowadays.
especially when u have warcry and intimidation2 ur chances to pwn others are highly increased.... my template is currently TKM, Master Pistoleer, Rogue.., the pistoleer gives real good defenses
in duell with jedi i use to warcry and intimidate first ( as im no master brawler it dont stack as often as 2 would ) , then stun, blind, dizzy, KD as every single of this stats makes the opponent weaker for the next step... usually the jedi goes down then so as he/she is prolly able to heal states make sure he/she stays on ground and warcry a second time if the firsttime didnt stack ( if ur warcry 2 stacked the first time then the jedi lays down for another 14 secs after KD anyways ). then spam hit3 or headhit1, for jedi it mostly dont matter really as they can heal all pools... repaet this as long as necessary to pwn him/her. this works very well for me if the jedi fights with doubleblade ( their most favorite weapon ), against one hand LS ( head hit ) theres nearly no chance for me, the dmg is too high on mind pool even when intimidated and u cant heal it... maybe ur fine with warcry2 and intimidation2 stacked as this should make a real difference, especially the 20 secs delay
in unarmored duells with othere master brawlers i found out that the indimidation 2 dont matters to me as long as im on my feet and spam headhit all the time.... and as long as my opponent istn tk too
especially when u have warcry and intimidation2 ur chances to pwn others are highly increased.... my template is currently TKM, Master Pistoleer, Rogue.., the pistoleer gives real good defenses
in duell with jedi i use to warcry and intimidate first ( as im no master brawler it dont stack as often as 2 would ) , then stun, blind, dizzy, KD as every single of this stats makes the opponent weaker for the next step... usually the jedi goes down then so as he/she is prolly able to heal states make sure he/she stays on ground and warcry a second time if the firsttime didnt stack ( if ur warcry 2 stacked the first time then the jedi lays down for another 14 secs after KD anyways ). then spam hit3 or headhit1, for jedi it mostly dont matter really as they can heal all pools... repaet this as long as necessary to pwn him/her. this works very well for me if the jedi fights with doubleblade ( their most favorite weapon ), against one hand LS ( head hit ) theres nearly no chance for me, the dmg is too high on mind pool even when intimidated and u cant heal it... maybe ur fine with warcry2 and intimidation2 stacked as this should make a real difference, especially the 20 secs delay
in unarmored duells with othere master brawlers i found out that the indimidation 2 dont matters to me as long as im on my feet and spam headhit all the time.... and as long as my opponent istn tk too
Tan-Dom
Thu Mar 03, 2005 7:00 am
#8
Well lets throw this out....Last night i dueled a TKM / master fencer, me unarmored, him wearing his Wookie armor andI could stand toe to toe without being worried about it(no idea what wookie armor stats are
) after about 5 min he took his armor of in mid fight and at that point the fight swung drastically in my favor and i had his health down to about 4 more UA3 hits atleast 3 times (damn medic skills
) and after another 5 min or so i finally got mind incapped because my brandy wore off and i didnt notice it in time
) after about 5 min he took his armor of in mid fight and at that point the fight swung drastically in my favor and i had his health down to about 4 more UA3 hits atleast 3 times (damn medic skills ) and after another 5 min or so i finally got mind incapped because my brandy wore off and i didnt notice it in time Now, i have a cheap pair of BE pants i wear that are +4 melee defense +17 to stun defense so this actually isn't a significant help.
i was using 2 shots of brandy and the KD food (no idea how to spell that name) and had standard buffs, No mind buffs.
I was truely fighting unarmed because 5 min before the duel i tried to repair my VK and wasted the little bugger.
I always keep a shot of muon in my tool bar just as an added insurance policy.
always remember when dueling to keep the staus effects pooring out, i usually cycle them in as one drops, if i notice that the stun effect is gone from the target i willhit him with all of the effects instead of just hitting stun again.
and last but not least be versital if you are stompin on his health pool and he can heal himself you should attack his mind if he is wearing a mini suit or any armor for that matter you best chances....(which are slim)....are to try to make him use his mind pool for heals then attack his mind after he weakens it for you.
BTW the guy i was dueling last night is a long time friend and for the last couple days i have been making him call me the duel master because of the amount of times i have betten him (like 7 of 8) and now i am eating crow....LOL
Message Edited by Tan-Dom on 03-03-2005 06:02 AM
DonkeyChips
Thu Mar 03, 2005 7:28 am
#9
I've been dueling Jedi lately, just turned TKM. It seems they hate getting hit with combo 2 when kd/dizzy, since they need to use a higher lvl force-heal to heal all 3 HAM bars they use up force a hell of alot faster. Unarmed 3 is still the sh*t for most duels and lower Jedi with crappy healing skills.
Also seems that Jedi have no lunge defense whatsoever, so dizzy/lunge is awesome to use if your KD timer is still active.
Also seems that Jedi have no lunge defense whatsoever, so dizzy/lunge is awesome to use if your KD timer is still active.
DarkainHellfire
Thu Mar 03, 2005 10:21 am
#10
Well, I'm currently TKM/Commando, what I normally do is:
Get mind buffed
Drink 2 Brandies
Eat 1 Ahrisa
Eat 1 Vercupti
combat:
dizzy (till dizzy)
intimidate (till intim)
stun (till stun)
kd 1
kd 2
kd 2
change to flamethrower (2.4 speed, 530-980 =) )
Flamesingle 2
Flamecone 2
change to Vibroknuckler
kd 2
unarmed 3
repeat until satisfied. this way you have that huge commando DoT eating at their health as well as your TK awesomeness chewing away at them =). Really is very, very good.
EDIT: Oh, only downside to this is that your opponent WILL DIE. This is not for no DB duels...unfortunately.
Message Edited by DarkainHellfire on 03-03-2005 12:22 PM
FeistySheister
Thu Mar 03, 2005 5:26 pm
#11
So far I've only dueled other melee profs, but this is what I do
I eat a thakatillo and canape, drink ithorian mist and one brandy (I dread the flop, so my melee food is all about that)
Then I run a macro with all my state shots in it, itends with the kd. If I get the kd on the first try I spamunarmed headhit, with the occasional kd againto keep 'em down. If I dont get it the first try, I only use kd every 3 seconds or so to protect my mind whilewaiting for it to work; and I use my state macro again ifit wore off my opponent. Im not a melee/defense stacker, so I have to use mind for healing as well as fighting while dueling.
If I'm reasonably sure the person took kd foodbeforehand, then I use unarmed lunge to change posture. If it works the kd following normally does too.
Message Edited by FeistySheister on 03-04-2005 12:03 AM
aarton1
Fri Mar 04, 2005 7:06 am
#12
i always found that hitting jedi with unarmedhit3 and headhit2 in patterns, cause all Bars will go down pretty fast and the end up healing alot, im also a rifleman so when dueling non jedi i usually try to knock the opponent down then run away switching to my rifle while they are down using my jawa or T21 depending whether they are wearing a helmet or not
Ineun
Fri Mar 04, 2005 12:03 pm
#13
I have better than decent success using a macro that includes all the states, and unarmedhit3. I have bio shirt and pants that are all concentrated on increasing warcry and intimidation. I enjoy long duels and the tactics involved in winning a long one...however for those melee profs and ranged types who like to target my mind pool,,,I have combat medic 4/0/0/4. Some nice spider venom poison in the mind pool seems to even the odds, and it also makes it so that i dont have to use headhit...and can continue to spam unarmedhit3 and all the state hits...if their mind is ticking away 400 points..they also seem to lose some concentration on the fight. If they are a real jerk there is also the consitution and other diseases that you can only see on the cntrl c screen...
Hadhafang TKM
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