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Thread: Standard TKM beating 80% kinetic armor?

Voradorex
Thu Jan 22, 2004 5:14 am
#1

I would really love to know how a standard tkm could beat another person with entire 80% kinetic armor? Its not like we can change damage types or anything so in my opinion we really get screwd there. Its not very fun when your own ham costs are killing yourself quicker then your killing the other guy. Maybe im just not smart enough too see the logic in this soo maybe someone else can clear this up for me.
ILoveSporksALot
Thu Jan 22, 2004 7:24 am
#2

I have this same problem, but I'm also picking up fencer so I can use stun baton against those punks But yeah whenever I face someone that is buffed and is wearing good armor I can never win.



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mochloD
Thu Jan 22, 2004 3:32 pm
#3

Teras Kasi = supermen


Kryptonite for the TKA? High Kinetic resist armor.


TKA's counter to armor? Vibroknucklers (with light armor piercing). Problem with this? Vk's can hurt the tka, especially when you hit for 1 a second.


Solution? Not one. Thats our HUGE limitation. Kinetic damage is our weakness as well as our greatest strength. We can deal out massive amounts of it very quickly but there are easy defenses against it (dont get too close, 80% composit resist armor).


Bone Armor can have great energy resists with relatively lower HAM costs that Comp, but no one wears the stuff because bone armor is crap for kinetic resists.This whole game is mostly kinetic. All creatures run up on you and hit you, NPC's are largely melee characters (for the most part anyway).


Our nice, fat, great big nerf came when the game was created, our inability to deal with kinetic resist armor and this is how it should be. Massive power with massive limitations.


Still, even after saying all that youre not screwed in pvp. Using /powerboost and drinking Breath of Heaven (lowers special cost) and eatting Vercuppti (sp?) (also lowers special cost) you can use vk's without killing yourself too quickly.





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lemontowel
Thu Jan 22, 2004 4:39 pm
#4

why does everyone complain about tkm's? some people are getting mad because they say tkms are too powerful then other people complaining about not being able to take on composite armor with 80% kinetic resist. quit whining.
Pwnage
Thu Jan 22, 2004 5:33 pm
#5

probably because they have not pvped against a combat medic



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Drasmar
Thu Jan 22, 2004 7:27 pm
#6

I can take almost every prof.I am rifleman/TKA. But I HATE pvp combat medics.
feliks
Thu Jan 22, 2004 7:44 pm
#7

Heard of a Legendary knucle.(rumor has it theyhave simular stats to LS)or atleast the motor the night sisters drop.(100ish-400ish damage there)or even a lonlynym vibro motor enhancement.
take a damage slice + damage power up and you are talking something along the lines of

for the nym vibro knucle i esltimate the damage would be something like 37-145 base + 20-30(enchancement) 37-160 add a 30% slicenow you havesomething like 50-220 damage drop a mele power up 15% min 30% max. now you are 57-290 damage. and thats the weakest of the uber knuckes.



if both of you are wairing composite armor and you knucles do 37-145 damage and the other guys do 50-300 no wonder why you are getting servered
Steinerguy
Thu Jan 22, 2004 8:15 pm
#8

i dont have a lot of trouble with people wearing compositekinectic armor. here isa story from last night when i was dueling for fun.


the person i dueled was a master swordsman. he was wearing full composite armor with high kinectic resist and he is doctor buffed on top of that. I am a master tka wookiee so i have no armor and i was only using my powerboost.


i pop on vk knowing it is my only chance to beat him despite the ham cost. duel starts and i land a kd on my first try and go straight for mind attacks. there is no way you willout damageto a fully buffedswordsman using composite armor with unarmed hit 3 if they manage to stand again. anyway im hitting his head with vk's on and he manages to stand toup and hit me couple times.i keep headhitting him and he incapps just before he could land a final hit to me (which would have incapped me).


If your in a duel with someone that has composite and you cant kd them then its probably best to spam unarmed hit 3 with a vk equiped. and always use warcry and intimidate, it can mean the difference between winning and losing if used properly.

Ludakrishna
Thu Jan 22, 2004 8:39 pm
#9






Voradorex wrote:

I would really love to know how a standard tkm could beat another person with entire 80% kinetic armor? Its not like we can change damage types or anything so in my opinion we really get screwd there. Its not very fun when your own ham costs are killing yourself quicker then your killing the other guy. Maybe im just not smart enough too see the logic in this soo maybe someone else can clear this up for me.






pleeeeease would thesome ofthe more ignorant tksstop bitching about this? composite (which most pvpers use) has protection against everything but stun so its not just against this class. only 3 weapons have stun damage: stun baton, tangle pistol, and jawa ion rifle. so wow 3 classes get past the composite armor. some ppldo use ubese but so what? i've seen tks take out other players wearing full kinetic armorand full buffseasily using dizzy kd and either nexu grin or just spitting rawl. oh and your ham cost,god no,i know your deal with "we hit once a second so our ham goes down fast" but!!!! you've got damage output that is very high with relation to your ham costs, other classes dont have that luxury. plus look at what steinerguy said, a non buffed unarmored wookiee taking out a fully buffed fully armored mhs. but *yawn*that's childs playfor a jedi-watcher ya know (sorry had to). and feliks, ua damage is added to vk so 37-145 damage knuckler would become a 287-395 (+250 ua damage at master?) weapon. ty, bai bai.



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JamfeFabri
Thu Jan 22, 2004 8:45 pm
#10

I dunno but i see most tka's taking out people in full comp by constantly using some kind of knockdown attack. Sure it takes a few min but they normally win.



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McFlyGuy
Thu Jan 22, 2004 9:00 pm
#11






feliks wrote:

melee power up 15% min 30% max.




I can't even find one yet alone one that good heh....





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Voradorex
Fri Jan 23, 2004 12:12 am
#12

I made this post out of pure curiousity, also to get a point across. This is not a problem that directlyconcerns me, simply because my secondary profession is rifleman. But on the other hand i feel it is a very good arguement for tks that do not have an offensive secondary profession. The points i wanted to get acrossed it that why would this profession need a nerf of any kind? All a person really needs to do is wear some good kinetic armor and guess what?? Not a whole lot of need to fear a TKM. Obviously people find it easy to cry nerf instead of picking up a little bit of armor. If anyone disagrees with me, please submitt an "intelligent" response. I would love to hear other peoples opinions.
DOTMaister
Fri Jan 23, 2004 5:44 am
#13

Easy: I switch to my Stun Batton



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