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Thread: Why There Are Flavor Of The Months To Begin WIth....Not Just TKA!!!!

Xeonus
Thu Jan 22, 2004 6:05 am
#1

I am beginning to notice trend in this game.....of coarse its the flavor of the month phenomenon.


Question...why?


I really think the DEVS are responsible for this new fad that is taking place at an overwhelming rate these days.


Here is my theory.


1. The DEVS made it this way so more people would change their profession to meet what the DEVS consider content in this game.





Lo'Pan (Master Creature Handler / Going Back Up The TKA Tree / Medic)

Kauri Server

"There are many mysteries, many unanswerable questions. Even in a life as short as yours." -David Lo Pan (Big Trouble In Little China)
Xeonus
Thu Jan 22, 2004 6:31 am
#2


I am beginning to notice a trend in this game.....of coarse its the flavor of the month phenomenon.


Question...why?


I really think the DEVS are responsible for this new fad that is taking place at an overwhelming rate these days.


Here aremy possible theories.


1. The DEVS made it this way so more people would change their profession to meet what the DEVS consider content in this game.


WHY? Think about it. You get nerfed...you change professions.....you get a Holocron and what does it tell you to do....change professions. It is obvious to me that the DEVS want us to change professions as much as possible. At least till the expansion pack comes out.


2. The DEVS are having problems in keeping any real balance in the combat professions.


WHY? One word...Foresight. Have you noticed that everytime a patch comes out that instead of getting a small adjustment and changes being made conservatively that we get a big game breaking change that only causes cancelled accounts and disgruntled players? I mean everytime a patch comes out the blood curling screams in the forums begin and people get frustrated. Then they flock to the profession that seems to be the most effective in game.


Every patch seems to bring out the best in one profession while killing the others. One patch makes the BHs the best, then the next Commandoes. Then the next patch makes TKA the best, then Fencers....then the CHs get nerfed and Bio Eng are the new flavor. Why? WHy does it have to be this way?



Why people flock to different professions with every patch:



This is a simple answer in its truest form. Those people that do flock to flavor of the month professions do so because they LIKE TO WIN!


I mean come on, who doesnt want to be the Uberest in the game. Everyone likes to be able to kick arse and take names...its human nature. With every patch that comes out people flock to that profession which was effected the least or as a result of other patched professions becomes the most powerful.


WHY? I really believe that SOE is making it known with their history and past games that their definition of longevity in a game is "how hard can we make it". THomas McDonald of COmputer Gamming Magazine said "...SWG still seems more like work than play." I dont know about you but I like to PLAY, not come home from work just towork again in game grinding away at skill trees just to get nerfed or suffer such horrific HAM penalties for using my new skills that its not worth it.


If the DEVS would make it so each profession could handle its own in a solo fight against a certain type of Mob or Mobs then we wouldnt have this. People came to Creature Handler because we could tank solo using our pets. Now they go to TKA becasue in PvE with KD and DIzzy we can solo almost anything. Hell I killed 5 Nightsisters at once doing just that. KD, Dizzy and they were all on the ground looking like theywere havingseizures trying to get up and I took my time with them....and ya know what? IT WAS FUN!


But if the DEVS continue to make the game harder to play and Mobs more impossible to solo, then the fun is gone for that profession and people move on to the one that allows them to freely do more without needing help. Now I know MMOs are meant to be interactive. But not everyone plays in groups. Shoot Im on Kauri and half the people in there wont group with me cause I cant speak French! It is annoying as hell to sit there not knowing what to do becasue you cant understand anyone. SO I solo.


Now I know not everyone is a Flavor of the Month person. I myself have never changed from CH and TKA since Ive been in this game....well Beta I was Rifleman but that sucked horribly and I went to TKA and have been there ever since.....you SEE! Even I changed to a better more effective profession.


If the DEVS would just keep the professions in line with eachother in offense and defense and make it so that using one special wouldnt be the end all of your profession.....flamecone 2, eyshot, stopping shot, Knockdown+Dizzy, ect, ect. Then we wouldnt have all this crap where people flock to a different profession every month. On top of that, DEVS, when you "patch" somebody....try something called discression.....stop doing these one time patches that cripple the profession into uselessness. Try small changes instead of big ones. Big ones are harder to fix than small ones and do way more damage if they are of base.


ANyway that is my opinion and I know everyones got one.





Lo'Pan (Master Creature Handler / Going Back Up The TKA Tree / Medic)

Kauri Server

"There are many mysteries, many unanswerable questions. Even in a life as short as yours." -David Lo Pan (Big Trouble In Little China)
Xeonus
Thu Jan 22, 2004 6:32 am
#3

I hit the enter key and it posted too early.....disregard this post



Lo'Pan (Master Creature Handler / Going Back Up The TKA Tree / Medic)

Kauri Server

"There are many mysteries, many unanswerable questions. Even in a life as short as yours." -David Lo Pan (Big Trouble In Little China)
Xeonus
Thu Jan 22, 2004 6:33 am
#4

OK disregard this post...something i wrong..it posted to soon< i wasnt finished




deisregard this post





Lo'Pan (Master Creature Handler / Going Back Up The TKA Tree / Medic)

Kauri Server

"There are many mysteries, many unanswerable questions. Even in a life as short as yours." -David Lo Pan (Big Trouble In Little China)
TechnoHic
Thu Jan 22, 2004 8:03 am
#5

Good post.


It is to true that the devs just need to chill out with this profesion crippling crap. At least make sure everyone is working 100% in order to tell that there is a balance problem.



I will always keep master commando unless I just give up on the game completely so I have seen several commandos come and go. They had given us the 2.5 damage mod so a lot of people left. I was getting /tells constantly from holo-grinders to train them from clear acrosss the galaxie because I was one of very few commandos left around on my server. (and yes I noticed on other servers a lot more of us) Each one would get trained to master then say "on to the next holo" and that would be the end of it.


Once they dropped the 2.5 damage mod, all was good for me, running around not afraid of a damned thing PvE just roasting away. But that makes others unhappy so they yell nerf the FT, nerf the DoT, nerf, nerf, nerf. So now it is coming, a resists to DoT and a fire extinguisher.


Now let me mind you that several of us were in favor of resists being considered in our DoT, and a way to put the flame out, but not until we have our other weapons working, and if the method to put the flame out is meant to stop kamilazee commando tactics, not just readily keep dousing yourself down.


We dont yet know what the fire extinguishers are planned to be like and who can use them, but we do know that our FT is still our only real working weapon. Was I hurting someone running around slaying large creatures? I dont think so. All I know is I was havig fun, so here comes the monkey wrench.


The worse part is, this wont be the first time the DEVs screwed us and they do it without ever fixing one damned thing in our profession. OK, so even if the FT is way powerfull all scary weapon (heh, in 16m maybe) what is wrong with it when its all we got?


Now I see talk of nerf to TKA, which concerns me cause I took novice TKA immediately after novice commando in Kor Vella. I just got TKA 0-3-0-4 right now but I would hate to see this happen. I feel that they just got you guys working right so it makes you appear all powerfull when really, you just arent as broke as other professions.


Have they said anything about what they wil do to you?





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Mythic_YCS
Thu Jan 22, 2004 8:13 am
#6

I disagree.


Like life, galaxies IS not and SHOULD not be fair. You should have to make sacrifices to be "uber". If these means changing professions to be "uber", so be it. The Devs are trying to equalize the combat professions. It isn't easy to make completely different styles of combat equal in strength. Given the state of all other MMORPG's combat equalization, SWG is just like the rest. Yes, it has problems, but I just have to say that nothing is fair...



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TechnoHic
Thu Jan 22, 2004 8:30 am
#7

Wow! Were we talking about fair? If so my bad. I thought we were talking about how things get nerfed rather than fixed first. Sorry.


C'mon seriously now. Im a master commando, people tell me what unfair is all the time, but lets just say we dont know what really is fair until everyone is 100% working.





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Mythic_YCS
Thu Jan 22, 2004 11:12 am
#8

I would care to make a little retraction. This is another example of why I should stop skimming these posts and start reading them. Sorry


I do think that SOE should take care of all the bugs in each class so at least they all work even if they aren't equal. This is the exact reason why I dropped pistoleer. Pistoleer might be one of the most broken if not the most broken class of them all. The only skill that works great is stopping shot.


So, in summary, I agree with you guys now.



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Xeonus
Thu Jan 22, 2004 5:09 pm
#9

Well Im glad you guys like the post...I just came home and feel like playing...............(Clicking Halo)






Lo'Pan (Master Creature Handler / Going Back Up The TKA Tree / Medic)

Kauri Server

"There are many mysteries, many unanswerable questions. Even in a life as short as yours." -David Lo Pan (Big Trouble In Little China)
McFlyGuy
Thu Jan 22, 2004 8:34 pm
#10

Heh...I always seem to have bad luck with flavors of the month...First I thought commando is cool thought i'd try it out. I went on vacation and everyone and their mother was holding a flamethrower... Next I'd thought i'd switch to TKA sounded cool. Beating the crap outta stuff with my bare hands.. 2 weeks later and behold everyones a tka running around asking best way to lvl unarmed 4 and tka novice... After that I thought rifleman would sound like a cool profession. A good way to complement my melee skills if they started kiting. Yes thats right riflemen left and right blasting people away with srafe 2. So I thought i'd take up pikeman to get away from the flavors and be an individual.. Actually pikeman looked cool but it was broken as hell. Much more than I thought before I started... Personally I don't mind having alota people in my profession just the people who come with it.. Arrogant 12 yr olds gloating everytime they beat someone aiming the nerf bat right at us... Reason why people don't flock to pikeman is because they tend to lose. Until all professions are balance you'll tend to see a large number of people in one profession.



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atimes
Fri Jan 23, 2004 7:21 am
#11

These conspiracy theories give the devs far too much credit.


The reason we are a FOTM is because our KD+dizzy is very effective in PvP. Before that it was eyeshot and before that underhand shot.


It's not the devs, it's the dumb l337 types who don't go out to explore different avenues or professions but wait for someone to discover the next "pwn j00" PvP special then they flock to the profession that has that special. TKA's have been in this game since launch and they have always had a KD+dizzy combo. It wasn't a "problem" and didn't need "balancing" until a few monthsago when all the Owen Zjoo's of the gamediscovered it.


If you really take the time to think about it there have been very very few combat nerfs in this game. The only true combat nerfs were that knockdowns had their HAM costs increased and were put on a timer and the T21 was nerfed and these were done for PvE and not PvP. That's about it. Yeah there are 50 million TKA's now but before the patch that upgraded melee professions and fixed defenses there were 50 million Expert Bounty Hunters around also. Back during the days of eyeshot spammers TKA's still had a KD+dizzy combo but no one was complaining about it then. Why? Because they were too busy crying aobut eyeshot.


The latest FOTM trend that is forming is the Rifleman's Jawa Ion Cannon (AP1 Stun damage = PvP Composite Armor slayer). This gun has been in since launch but it's only now becoming popular 7 months after release. Why? Because it took the l337 d00dz this long to discover it. Another FOTM trend is Carbineer's charge shot (it's not on a timer and can be spammed). Once stacking defenses are resolved you will see tons of Riflemen/Carbineers running around spamming chargeshot then switching to a Jawa Ion Rifle and spamming headshots with that.


Xeonus
Fri Jan 23, 2004 10:13 am
#12

Its not a consipracy theory......im am not saying the DEVS planned such a screwed up combat system, it is simply a fact of the game.


In fact you basically mimic'ed everything I said.





Lo'Pan (Master Creature Handler / Going Back Up The TKA Tree / Medic)

Kauri Server

"There are many mysteries, many unanswerable questions. Even in a life as short as yours." -David Lo Pan (Big Trouble In Little China)
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