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Thread: Experimenting with Vk's

Qui-Mu
Thu Nov 20, 2003 10:24 am
#1

Hi, I am a master weaponsmith and I have another character that is a 2/1/2/2 TK. So after reading some of your post on VK's I have done some experimenting on them. The lowest emcumbrence I could get was 23/33/23. I belive that the cap on encumbrence is 20/30/20. This low of encumbrence came at a price however. The damge was 13-83 with a speed of 3.2. This was done using a regular vibro unit and the resources used were all at least 950 in the attributes that count with the exception of the copper used. The best copper I have is 786 unit toughness. Using an Advanced vibro unit I was able to make a 28/38/28 encumbrence with damage 16-97 speed 3.0. The advanced vibro units use Desh copper which has never spwaned with Unit toughness over 376. On my server the best that has spawned was 314. All other resources used were the same attributes as those used in the previous example.


Vk's experimented for damage and speed only are in the ranges that you have already seen with damge topping out at around 145 and speed around 2.2 with encumbrence in the 36-53-36 range.


If you see any Vk's that do not match the stats above, they are either sliced, powered up, have looted componets in them or the entire Vk was looted of some high end npc.


If anyone has any questions just let me know and I will do my best to answer them.

your-mama
Thu Nov 20, 2003 10:53 am
#2

thxs good work


i had a set made lastnight with a nym motor, by a umber weponsmith....


damage 106


speed 3.1


enc 21/34/22


now all i can hope for is a good slice wow if i could get them up to 140 dam look out! that is kind of sad when you compare it to any pistol out there. why do we get the shaft when it comes to our wepon the only one we have... if i saw a pistol with these stats i would think its garbage... you know what im saying.




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Qui-Mu
Thu Nov 20, 2003 11:02 am
#3

Ok, now here is my question. Is the enc really that important. I ask this because I made myself a Vk with a +28 damge nym motor. The stat came out something like 36-170 2.2 speed with 36/53/36 enc. I had them sliced and got lucky with a 25 percent damage increase. They now hit for a max damage of 212.


So how many more specials can you do with the low encumbrence vs. The high damage from regular blows with the High damge ones. And in the end does it all balance out?????

Olvenskol
Thu Nov 20, 2003 11:03 am
#4

Comparing VK toapistol (or any other weapon) isn't really fair since VK damage adds to the wielder's native unarmed damage while every other weapon stands on its own. Add another 275 damage in on them, and they look decent (I certainly have no complaints about mine). The only issue with VK is just the high HAM cost.


dashida
Thu Nov 20, 2003 11:09 am
#5

Enc is even less of an issue with the the growing popularity of food. Breath of Heaven for example.

Because not everyone uses food, I would say a balance between damage and encumberance is needed. Leave the speed at 3.0 and hope for a good speed slice.





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Kashir Moor · Master Ranger · Teräs Käsi

your-mama
Thu Nov 20, 2003 11:11 am
#6

when you hit master you will understand.... uah3 will kill you with the vks you made. i have some that are 190 dam same enc as yours i hate using them i can do like 4 or 5 moves before my ham is getting to low. sucks... how come they can make a fwg5 with 1.8 speed12 mind cost and 200 dam? and im stoked about a set of VKs that are 22 mind cost 3.1 speed and 106 dam??? something is not right here....



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FeeeeedMeeee
Thu Nov 20, 2003 11:44 am
#7

this is why fwg5 pistols were nerfed I have one with 1.3 speed 220 damage, 12mind cost. I am just started on my trek up the TKA ladder
Bubbachuggins
Thu Nov 20, 2003 12:28 pm
#8

your-mama said


now all i can hope for is a good slice wow if i could get them up to 140 dam look out! that is kind of sad when you compare it to any pistol out there. why do we get the shaft when it comes to our wepon the only one we have... if i saw a pistol with these stats i would think its garbage... you know what im saying.

Do pistoleers have pistol damage multiplier of 250 at master? don't worry about the weapon damage and chances are you won't use a VK at master. They're a nice crutch until you get to doing more unarmed damage.



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Wolfe-
Thu Nov 20, 2003 12:58 pm
#9

Remeber though that it is not all about the damage, the AP1 is a big factor too. I have been looking for a set with low encumb to test out, dont really care what the damage is. Basically you are adding the VK damage to the unarmed damage rating, plus making the entire hit AP1.


Can anyone actually test out a set of low encumb VK's that have ~90 damage to see what the actual difference is? I see alot of talk about this but have not seen anyone actually post numbers. You'll also want to get a speed slice but can easily get it to about 2.0/1.9 with a good slice.

LuSt
Thu Nov 20, 2003 3:44 pm
#10

Mama,


LuSt
Thu Nov 20, 2003 3:49 pm
#11


Mama,


If you were truly a master you would stop whining about something so little as a set of Vks.We are the best class in the game and I have not come across a class (not person) that I cannot compete with. Good vks or no good vks we own, end of story.


-LuSt


Eclipse

dashida
Thu Nov 20, 2003 3:53 pm
#12



LuSt wrote:
sorry about the multiple posts, its my first time babysitting uninformed people on the boards




Dude, you got some ego... anyways, TABs dont work in form fields. Learn to use your browser so you dont look like an arse.





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Kashir Moor · Master Ranger · Teräs Käsi

Leonae
Fri Nov 21, 2003 12:45 am
#13

Looted VKs can have HAM costs as low as 9/28/9 or so, but with very bad damage, around 7-57, and slow speed (around 3.5, not that that matters much).
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