Teras Kasi Archive
Thread: Battle of the Giants: TKM verus Master Fencer
TravonLepen
Mon Oct 11, 2004 6:10 am
#14
Rebel_elite wrote:
Just thought'd I'd ask
I personally think that fencer has an edge in pvp, but TK is second only to swordsman in pve..
I've never had a problem with a master fencer. Intimidate and Stun are your friend
TravonLepen
Mon Oct 11, 2004 9:20 am
#15
EotchajCrestingcloud wrote:
Rebel_elite wrote:
Just thought'd I'd ask
I personally think that fencer has an edge in pvp, but TK is second only to swordsman in pve..
I have both TKM and Master Fencer. I lose to myself almost everytime.
lol
Utess
Mon Oct 11, 2004 9:50 am
#16
Pure tkm vs pure fencer, the tkm would win. But, a defense stacker fighting as a tkm vs a defense stacker fighting as a fencer, the fencer would probably have the edge simply because of them having dodge on top of all the other defenses while our DA isn't very effective.
And yeppers, back when the multi-pool attacks bypassing defenses bug was in, a pure fencer would probably beat a pure tkm. We had our own bugged attack(the unarmed combos) but since scatter hit had a higher damage multiplier it was more effective(especially when coupled with a good acklay stun baton).
Aation
Mon Oct 11, 2004 5:12 pm
#17
all good comments, but one huge factor has been left out in my opinion...
skill.
I have encountered atkm and master swordsman in armor w/buffsand have beatenhim without armor or buffsas a master fencer, 4/1/4/4 tk, master brawler, and 3/3/4/0 medic... veterans can really know how to play the game and make a profession work to their advantage no matter what it is. Templates are a really neat thing. So... to bring it back to point, i do think a fencer can beat a tkm if they play smart.
SuperTrando
Mon Oct 11, 2004 6:30 pm
#18
I'm just TKA 4/4/4/3 and I've beaten about 3 MFencers one on one. Maybe I was just lucky.
NeoEcks
Mon Oct 11, 2004 6:37 pm
#19
Aation wrote:all good comments, but one huge factor has been left out in my opinion...skill.I have encountered atkm and master swordsman in armor w/buffsand have beatenhim without armor or buffsas a master fencer, 4/1/4/4 tk, master brawler, and 3/3/4/0 medic... veterans can really know how to play the game and make a profession work to their advantage no matter what it is. Templates are a really neat thing. So... to bring it back to point, i do think a fencer can beat a tkm if they play smart.
skill was NOT left out of the equasion. the question was posed which would win in a fight. ALL of us took it to say "given equal skill, which would win in a fight"
skill has EVERYTHING to do with it. i have seen Master Carbineers beat Master Riflemen. YUP you heard me. it was all skill.
but the question was not posed 'if a skilled Master Fencer fought an unskilled TKM, who would win?" and seeing as how it was not posed in such a manner, we all knew the question began with an implied 'all things being equal'
SordDaPlaya
Mon Oct 11, 2004 7:58 pm
#20
I fought lots of guys with their master fencer title up, and i win most of the time. Granted i am a master rifleman, master brawler, and novice fencer, but they pry have other dabbles too. So fighting wise, i would say TKM is the best bet
NeoEcks
Mon Oct 11, 2004 8:46 pm
#22
Aation wrote:well... i have... ahhhh... been... 1-up'd. hah!whatever.
no you haven't sorry, i just woke up on the wrong side of the bed.
yours was a VERY good point. skill really is everything, i was just answering at the wrong time
O0oHalfLifeo0O
Mon Oct 11, 2004 9:05 pm
#23
I'd have to say TKM. But then again *looks at sig* I do love them both 
Rebel-head
Tue Oct 12, 2004 6:25 pm
#24
When I was a tkm/fencer/brawler I always used TKM in duels for the head hits and the state changes. An intimidated, blind, stunned (dizzy kd'd if you're lucky ) fencer doesn't really have any tricks other than scatter hit which is alot weaker now anyway. They may have an uber stun batton but with stun armour and psg it's greatly mitigated. I'm not sure who said tkm second to swordsman but I have to disagree. Unless they are stacked to the eyeballs with tapesthey're going to lose to a TKM (blinded, intimdate, stunned swordsman = lots of misses amongst a few low damage head hits). In my opinion TKM is way up there with rifleman as one of the least broken proffesions in the game, combat or otherwise.
) fencer doesn't really have any tricks other than scatter hit which is alot weaker now anyway. They may have an uber stun batton but with stun armour and psg it's greatly mitigated. I'm not sure who said tkm second to swordsman but I have to disagree. Unless they are stacked to the eyeballs with tapesthey're going to lose to a TKM (blinded, intimdate, stunned swordsman = lots of misses amongst a few low damage head hits). In my opinion TKM is way up there with rifleman as one of the least broken proffesions in the game, combat or otherwise. (On a side note...TKM/doc can beat any stacker any day of the week )
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OnlyMaestro
Tue Oct 12, 2004 8:21 pm
#25
Fencer is for the no-talent stun noobs.
Stun weapons, we don't need no stinking stun weapons.
p897t98
Thu Oct 14, 2004 7:27 am
#26
Fencers suck in PvP, who doesnt PvP in 40% stun comp ? plus no AP, and TKM rarely misses.