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Thread: OT: Name Your Martial Art
S0ldad0
Sun Nov 07, 2004 5:51 am
#145
After studying various martial arts for about 11 years and earning 4 black belts and 1 black sashI made the switch to CAPOEIRA Now, after 5 years of hard trainingI am teaching in Hamburg Germany and have never looked back!!
CAPOEIRA!!!!
zebediah13
Mon Nov 08, 2004 3:03 am
#146
i have limited martial arts training in both karate and judo but they serve me no further than enhancing the skills i learned as a child by getting my ass kicked by numerous people. im not going to claim to be a badass, but after i had to teach myself to fight, martial arts taught me where i needed to hit and how hard to keep my ass from getting kicked. there is no glory in fighting, there i said it. my friends in the military would laugh at me for saying it but there it is. i am 24 years old and after every fight i have been involved in all i can say is martial arts does not make you tough!! all it does is prepare you for the worst. and if you have never been in a fight before, martial arts does absolutetly nothing!! i will have a person who has never studied for 1 second under any tutor of any proffesion of martial arts watch my back, as long as he has had his ass handed to him a few times. getting the piss knocked out of you teaches you a hell of a lot more than "right kick, left kick" could ever teach you. i expect a hellevu lot of flaming on this subject but that is the way i have felt and experienced in my life so flame away red belt judo masters
Bruty
Tue Nov 09, 2004 3:41 am
#148
I started doing TKA (my first and still main profession) because I was (then) a new black belt,Tae Kwon DO
I even practiced UAhit3 (IRL), so now I can do it almost as fast as ingame 
If anyone areconsidering starting a martial art, I can definitelyrecommend W'T'F(modokwan) Tae Kwon Do as it's got a lot of greatkicking-techniquesand you it's necesarily violent or injury-causing... Tae Kwon Do is GREAT for the basics, such as kicking, punching and just style, but now that I just got my 2. Dan, I'm starting Win Tzun because it's supposed to be so great 
Message Edited by Bruty on 11-09-2004 02:42 AM
Galadarion75
Tue Nov 09, 2004 9:16 am
#149
I started with Shotokan at around 12 years old, moved on several years later to Okinawan Kenpo. At the same time I also began studying Escrima.
Any stcik form that can best Magellan and his men in breastplates and with swords I figured was worth taking a look at.
TravonLepen
Wed Nov 10, 2004 11:47 am
#150
zebediah13 wrote:
i have limited martial arts training in both karate and judo but they serve me no further than enhancing the skills i learned as a child by getting my ass kicked by numerous people. im not going to claim to be a badass, but after i had to teach myself to fight, martial arts taught me where i needed to hit and how hard to keep my ass from getting kicked. there is no glory in fighting, there i said it. my friends in the military would laugh at me for saying it but there it is. i am 24 years old and after every fight i have been involved in all i can say is martial arts does not make you tough!! all it does is prepare you for the worst. and if you have never been in a fight before, martial arts does absolutetly nothing!! i will have a person who has never studied for 1 second under any tutor of any proffesion of martial arts watch my back, as long as he has had his ass handed to him a few times. getting the piss knocked out of you teaches you a hell of a lot more than "right kick, left kick" could ever teach you. i expect a hellevu lot of flaming on this subject but that is the way i have felt and experienced in my life so flame away red belt judo masters
Not a flame, but I totally disagree.
What you speak of is a problem that has run very rampant in the martial arts community. There are a lot of people who don't understand the difference between martial arts/sciences and martial sports. I, like you, have seen many "black belts" of various MARTIAL SPORTS get injured and embarassed in real fights. Their instructors don't really teach that there are differences in technique, strategy, and mindset while fighting "in the street" as opposed to in the ring.
Unfortunately, this is also compounded by the mindset of many "black belts" found in America today. The black belt has become synonomous with total mastery of an art or fighting style. Most of us who have had formal training know that a black belt only really signifies a basic mastery of basic skills in most arts.
While I do agree that you can learn quite a bit from being in a real fight, if, as you state, martial arts prepares you for the worst, why not have someone who has had formal training "watch your back?" It also seems that although you feel "there is no glory in fighting" you've had quite a few. Perhaps seriously training in the right art with a good instructor would help you avoid those.
Atama
Wed Nov 10, 2004 12:30 pm
#151
In real life I am a computer technician. I owe many of my skills to my personal experience fixing computers, using them, building them. But I'm also a trained and certified technician. There are people who learn computer skills solely from books and classes but can't really do anything with them. There are others who have worked on computers for years but don't understand the theory of them; how and why things work the way they do.
The best technicians are those with formal training who've also had real experience, who've actually *done* it. That applies to anything you do, including martial arts.
And no, fighting isn't glorious. In real life you don't get XP, you don't get trophies, you don't have a pretty girl run up to you and say "my hero!" as she kisses you and headlines make you man of the year. In real life your biggest goal in a fight is usually to get out of the fight with the least amount of lost blood and bruises, and hopefully without something broken. The best way to achieve that is not to fight at all.
The best technicians are those with formal training who've also had real experience, who've actually *done* it. That applies to anything you do, including martial arts.
And no, fighting isn't glorious. In real life you don't get XP, you don't get trophies, you don't have a pretty girl run up to you and say "my hero!" as she kisses you and headlines make you man of the year. In real life your biggest goal in a fight is usually to get out of the fight with the least amount of lost blood and bruises, and hopefully without something broken. The best way to achieve that is not to fight at all.
Loshuss
Thu Nov 11, 2004 1:49 am
#152
Not a flame, but I totally disagree.
What you speak of is a problem that has run very rampant in the martial arts community. There are a lot of people who don't understand the difference between martial arts/sciences and martial sports. I, like you, have seen many "black belts" of various MARTIAL SPORTS get injured and embarassed in real fights. Their instructors don't really teach that there are differences in technique, strategy, and mindset while fighting "in the street" as opposed to in the ring.
I attribute that mostly to over-stressing point sparring and poor conditioning. Watching "World Champion" level point sparring is the dumbest thing I have ever seen. Two guys who are supposed to be disciplined fighters, throw anything they can that might have a chance of landing a semi-solid hit. There's no evading. There's no skill. It's like watching kids in high school fight.
I point sparred back years ago during my first month in Karate. I beat a kid who was about to test for his black belt my first time. This has happened at every school I trained at and I do not consider myself a good fighter. All that changed when I started free sparring in rounds with heavy contact. People with experience fighting will school someone with lesser experience just about every time. Granted that's only one aspect, but experience is a great thing to have.
Most martial artists seem to be studying for the wrong reasons. They all want self defense techniques that can disable someone with a singular block and a following strike which just doesn't happen. Fighting on the street is going to be maybe 1 or 2 swings and then you're both on the ground grappling or getting stomped by the guys 5 friends. It doesn't follow rules and lots of people like to carry knives.
My end suggestion is that fighting is for dumb people or Soccer(Football) Fans and should be avoided all the times. Fighting never really solves anything and most likely makes you sit in the back of a police car.
TravonLepen
Thu Nov 11, 2004 9:16 am
#153
Loshuss wrote:
Not a flame, but I totally disagree.
What you speak of is a problem that has run very rampant in the martial arts community. There are a lot of people who don't understand the difference between martial arts/sciences and martial sports. I, like you, have seen many "black belts" of various MARTIAL SPORTS get injured and embarassed in real fights. Their instructors don't really teach that there are differences in technique, strategy, and mindset while fighting "in the street" as opposed to in the ring.
I attribute that mostly to over-stressing point sparring and poor conditioning. Watching "World Champion" level point sparring is the dumbest thing I have ever seen. Two guys who are supposed to be disciplined fighters, throw anything they can that might have a chance of landing a semi-solid hit. There's no evading. There's no skill. It's like watching kids in high school fight.
I point sparred back years ago during my first month in Karate. I beat a kid who was about to test for his black belt my first time. This has happened at every school I trained at and I do not consider myself a good fighter. All that changed when I started free sparring in rounds with heavy contact. People with experience fighting will school someone with lesser experience just about every time. Granted that's only one aspect, but experience is a great thing to have.
Most martial artists seem to be studying for the wrong reasons. They all want self defense techniques that can disable someone with a singular block and a following strike which just doesn't happen. Fighting on the street is going to be maybe 1 or 2 swings and then you're both on the ground grappling or getting stomped by the guys 5 friends. It doesn't follow rules and lots of people like to carry knives.
My end suggestion is that fighting is for dumb people or Soccer(Football) Fans and should be avoided all the times. Fighting never really solves anything and most likely makes you sit in the back of a police car.
That's why I don't like Olympic style TKD ( I think it goes by either ITF ordubyaTF <~~stupid word filter!rules) the main emphasis is on kicking. I can't imagine how sparring in this manner is even remotely close to what happens in real fights. Punchesare pretty much completely ignored as part of the cirriculum and in a lot of schools, punches are just part of the warmup routine. I was fortunate enough to attend a school that taught both punching and kicking, my instructor actually brought in pro and semi pro boxers to assist us in that part of the course.
Camrux
Thu Nov 11, 2004 10:47 am
#154
I studied Shaolin Kempo for7 years back on the east coast and unfortunately when I moved out west I got away from it. (Hey, at least I still play Ice Hockey 3 times a week )
)Ant to the point earlier in the thread about belts and ranking. In my opinion Rank is BS for the most part, I've seen mid level Green Belts that would tear a 1st and 2nd degree Black Belts to shreads. It's all in the student and what they put in to it coupled with physical ability and talent.
As for point sparring...ugh, I hated it with a passion. It's just an overglorified game of tag that actually teaches people how not to fight on the street. Other than maybe gaining some timing and control practice I saw no benifit from it. Street fights almost always end up with 2 guys on the ground grappling.
My Dojo would make it mandatory for us to compete in sparring and Kata at least once a year, I hated the sparring but I loved doing Kata for tourneys.
TravonLepen
Thu Nov 11, 2004 2:22 pm
#155
As far as the point sparring debate; while point sparring doesn't do a lot of good in teaching real world defense, it does teach control and allows you to work on techniques. I count my lucky stars I have a sensei who teaches both point sparring as well as real world self-defense
Certainly, I agree that point sparring does have benefits, I just don't like people who take up martial arts to win trophies, or schools who only teach Olympic style sparring as part of their "self defense" cirriculum.
HimTheSecond
Thu Nov 11, 2004 3:14 pm
#156
RoninGaiden wrote:
Hey Himthesecond, i was looking throught the thread and saw yours saying that u were too young to study Bushido. Bushido isn't a martial art, rather a phylosophy. It means "Way of the Warrior". I think you meant something else, but wasn't sure. I'm currently learning Bushido while I'm learning Iaido and Kendo. Just an FYI.
Damn....was told it was somethin to do with swords. I dunno what it is i wanna do then
Theres one called single stick or somethin like that....deals with polearms or somethin like that....i dunno this is probably just stuff that people have made up and told me about...argh.Message Edited by HimTheSecond on 11-11-2004 10:22 PM