Teras Kasi Archive

I am going to present my view in this matter from as much as an objective view point as possible. I know so many in this game cannot fathom TKA being more powerfull than any other class and many believe we should be in line with everyone else in the whole balancing sceme of this pretentious world we spend so much time in.

Before I begin let me say that I respect anyones opinion in this matter and everyone has the right to refure or disprove anything I say, but I must ask that if you do so....please do so with facts not just opinion or knee jerk reactions. Plus please respect my opinion in this matter and lets hold a civilized debate and try not to one star each other like adolescent children. With that said lets move on.

First there has been a great debate over the history of the Teras Kasi in the Expanded Universe, Books, Role Playing Games and the first game featuring TKAs: Masters Of Teras Kasi (sony playstation). In this matter I will admit that the facts are strewn and not very definitive. But the fact still remains that there is history concerning this profession. Obiviously the DEVS did not dream up this profession otherwise, I mean who could just come up with a name like Teras Kasi...steel hands.

Now I would like to reference some other posts made by other players on this profession.....please visit this link for some insightful info on the Teras Kasi and who they are:

http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=teras_kasi_artist&message.id=44795

Now...In the Shadows of the Empire Books there are references to the Teras Kasi and breif references to an "inner strength" that they have that many are calling "inner force". Although this can be easily interpreted as "force power" it isnt, however in the sense of most of us have come to undersatnd as the force which is used by the Jedi. But if you remeber Yoda did say that the force was in everything, that it "sourrounds us, binds the galaxy together" he said it was in the rocks, in the trees, everywhere. The fact is that the Teras Kasi Artists did use a form of super natural power to heal, fight, avaid and even in some cases block force powers.

Why where the Teras Kasi hired by the EMpire? Why not any other class?

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It is mostly in fan lore and other sources that the some Teras Kasi, after Luke started the new Jedi Academy, were seeing the Jedi rise to power once again and were becomming suspicious of them. You will see, and this is important, that in the next comming Episode (Episode 3) that Palpatine will actually convince some of the Republic and Anakin that the Jedi were responsible for the demise of the old Republic and that Mace Windu actually tried to atack him and kill him. Ofcoarse Anakin intercedes and kills Windu. The the hunt for the Jedi begins on a Galactic scale and they are systematically wiped out. Yoda flees to Degoba (or however you spel it) and Obi-Wan lives on Tantooine to watch over Luke as he grown up. Well after all thiss happens and the Empire falls, Luke starts his Jedi academy and the Jedi start to rise again. Well the Teras Kasi form in secret, honing their skills and preparing for another Jedi conflict. You see the Teras Kasi do not trust the Jedi to govern themselves and so they do...in secret. The Emporer is not ultimatey dead as manu thought and hires Arden Lyn to kill or assasinate Luke.....OK form here on out it is shear specualation, but why? Many in Fan Lore believe that it is becasue of the limited force powers of the Teras Kasi and their fierce reputation as the Ultimate Melee fighters that Palpatine did this. I am persuaded to believe this because after all Luke defeated Vader and the Emporer wouldnt be stupid enough to send someone after Luke unless he felt they were capable. Luke lobs off her arm and she gets a mechanical one and so on and so on.

Now you can come to your own conclusion, but if you read all the links I provided I believe you may understand why so many of us in this profession think that we should be actually MORE powerful than we are now. I know this opinion isnt popular with other classes and I understand.

My solution is this.....the Teras Kasi should never have been made so easily available as a character in this game. In truth I think that the Teras Kasi should Master Brawlers that stumble upon the groupd by chance or by missions seeking out the Teras Kasi and then by vigorous trial and serious use of all remaining XP, become Teras Kasi artists. This in my mind should take 3 time as long to aquire as any other profession and we should be a ALMOST as rare as the Jedi but not to that extent.

Should we be as powerful as the Jedi...Of coarse not!

Should we be more powerful than other Melee classes...yes, but only to a certain degree.

Should we be the only ones allowed to go up the Meditation tree.....no...but only Masters SHould be able to heal wounds.

Should we be able to do more damage than a sword or pike?...no...but we should hit 3 times as fast and as many times.

Should we be like the Fencers in our defenses...yes...if not more so.

Should we use weapons..NO and I mean NO....we are a weaponless profession that uses our skill and the powers of our "steel hands" to do our work.

Should we get bleeds.....let me speculate on this...if you get hit hard enough do you not bleed internaly? This may be what they call shock damage..i dont know.

Should we be able to solo jedi.....yes....but not masters..on Padawan and the like.

Should we always be able to beat a ranged fighter....not in alot of cases.....I cant see a Teras Kasi standing up to a FLame THrower or Heavy Acid Rifle or the like....but we should be able to doge and weave well enough to aoid the full blast of such weapons....enought to possibly get on the inside and do our damage.

Bottom Line...if you get within our range...your dead. If you can stay away from us and fire your weapons....we might be in trouble.

Thats the gist of it....I hope I have made clear what most of think Teras Kasi should be in this game.

I will admit that most of our history and further more our abilities are more rooted in fan lore than in black and white print but, if you read the evidence and look in other sources before this game, I believe you will come to the same conclusion.

Thanks and Godbless.

I agree

With all I've read i do belive that that is the TKA history

Good work man

same... Arden is the **edit**

i love how people think TKMs are to powerful. hey i can own them from 15m with torso shot or last ditch. TKMs are only the best when they have a ranged combat prof mixed in the template. Sure you TKMS can buff yourselfs and wear armor and come at me. ill get out the stun pistol (forget its name) and eyeshot you to death. They require a ranged prof unless when they are attackin its already close quarters (ie a cave in a building or city with closed alleys. now im not trying to say TKMs suck balls, but you can kill them from range so easily. cripplin shot will do it. a couple adv strafes. llast ditch em to hell. so why nurf something that can be overpowerd so easily?

All said an done, there are no cannon or official sources that say that TKAs were meant to be jedi hunters. We don't know if they have all those abilities as stated in the RPGs because RPGs are not cannon sources.

If it turns out that the above is actually true, then by all means make us use more skill points and make us more powerful.

problem is... a philosophical debate is useless against the realities of a game.

coulda, shoulda, woulda... blah blah blah. is what it boils down to. and the TKA lore arguement is nothing against the weak state of affairs when concerning wookiees. so arguing solely on the merits of SW lore is rediculous.

this game doesn't follow lore. ..certainly doesn't follow EU lore. and hardly conforms to actual Star Wars lore...as semi-defined by the movie sequence we're supposed to be existing in.

so you have to look at how a TKA artist is... as it is as a class. also, how como-ing TKA with other professions adds to TKA. because looking at one profession, and then saying, that other combo stats, or auxilary skills aren't an issue. is also false. each adds to the overall power of the other. so everything needs to be considered.

that being said, melee classes are just now seeing some improvement. my sweetheart class was always 2-handed weapons. ...and i've seen that class rise in power over the last few months. and i'm quite happy with my master swordsman.

and with TKA. ...and the subsequent rash of TKMs i think you have to look at them vs everyone else. ...in terms of whether they're overbalanced. underbalanced... in need of some tweaking... or just that everyone else might need to be brought up to their level.

i'd say in terms of things that TKA have that they probably shouldn't have or have too much of. is speed. sure they're entitled to it given their general make-up but speed and damage output are not good combinations.

and worse than the speed. is combination attacks that multiply that subtle flaw. ...for while a TKA by itself isn't overpowered speed wise. or damage wise. ..a master brawler with warcry 2. knockdowns, master doctor and the dizzy+knockdown gimick is over powered.

the dizzy +knockdown combo i think is the thing most deserving of a nerf. ...a timer, or imunity after the first landing of it wouldn't be bad. ... and i strongly believe that helmets should greatly aid in the defense against state attacks.

posted just recently how i think it's rediculous that a helmet doesn't protect against dizzy, or blind, or stun anymore than not wearing a helmet does.

all in all. TKA isn't vastly overpowered. they fit well for an elite combat profession. several of their attacks are too easy to abuse and i think over time you'll see natural nerfs to those.

they're a good class. i'm glad they've come of age in PvP. i think that suits them well. the problem is, the class is getting to gimicky. it's a joke how corny the dizzy knockdown warcry tactic is.

but who knows...

Vas

"Obviously reason doesnt mean anything to children, nor does respect. I got one stared anyway."

You got one-starred by me for a number of reasons:

1) Brevity is the soul of wit. Cut the long-winded nonsense and get to your point.

2) Your writing style was slow and wandering, which made it hard to read.

3) I found your argument weak in the extreme; TKAs shouldn't be balanced because you read some fan histories that you liked and want the TKAs in this game to emulate them.

4) On pure style reasons I despise your vision of TKAs: it's fruity, trash-novel, fantasy nonsense.

You may not like my reasons, but that's why I one-starred you. I didn't find anything redeemable about your post.

-Jeff

P.S. If I had a choice, TKs as they stand now would be a hybrid profession based off master brawler and one of the medic lines. I don't see how SOE can do that now, though.

"Obviously reason doesnt mean anything to children, nor does respect. I got one stared anyway."

You got one-starred by me for a number of reasons:

1) Brevity is the soul of wit. Cut the long-winded nonsense and get to your point.

2) Your writing style was slow and wandering, which made it hard to read.

3) I found your argument weak in the extreme; TKAs shouldn't be balanced because you read some fan histories that you liked and want the TKAs in this game to emulate them.

4) On pure style reasons I despise your vision of TKAs: it's fruity, trash-novel, fantasy nonsense.

You may not like my reasons, but that's why I one-starred you. I didn't find anything redeemable about your post.

-Jeff

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Obviously as stated before.....i will RESPECT your opinion and will not lash out like a infant because I dont agree with you.

The star system was put into place mainly for those that came onto other forums and called for nerfs (trolling) or simply came on to talk about things that were completely off topic, say....the weather perhaps...go back and read the policy for posting in these forums.

You sir are a blithering imbecile who cannot appreciate anyones opinion that is outside your own.

Although I respect your opinion and will not resort to childich behavoir by attacking you the only way possible (one star) on these forums, your opinion is unfounded and unresearched. I doubt you had any clue about the Teras Kasi in the slightest before reading this post, as a matter of fact I doubt you read the whole thing or even the links.

People of your ignorance can only resort to attacking because you lack the sophistication to allow anyones view but your own.

Your sir are a bore and a prime example of unrefined simplicity and lack of character.

But I will not one star you like a child since you have already taken up that role in this thread.

-goodnight.

I don't think you help anything at all when you have tons of people beating down the door screaming that TKA is overpowered and here you are asking to be even more powerful. Seems counterproductive to me. /shrug.

antares
master pikeman / master brawler / tka / fencer / heavy swordsman

I don't think you help anything at all when you have tons of people beating down the door screaming that TKA is overpowered and here you are asking to be even more powerful. Seems counterproductive to me. /shrug.

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Well I see your point, but this game shouldnt be dictated by those who dont like us anymore than it should be dictated by those who want more power. Thats for the devs to decide.

I am simply stating a few facts about Teras Kasi history and that the DEVS are re-defining who they are. I doubt they will make us more powerful this late in the game...but that isno reason to let people be in the dark about the profession they play.

Thanks for you input.

Simple fact is that this game will never hold true continuity with that of the Star Wars universe. You want TK's to be like they are in the books, everyone wants their profession to be how they are in the books, but it is not going to happen. This game is a mere shadow of the Star Wars universe, its just a regular MMORPG with some Star Wars stuff pasted on it.

When all is considered, I say Screw the Professions, I want Content, Originality, Quests, Loot, Diversity, Continuity,etc...

The professions are only a fraction of why this game is going to hell.

I has this to say in the first part of the thread:

Before I begin let me say that I respect anyones opinion in this matter and everyone has the right to refure or disprove anything I say, but I must ask that if you do so....please do so with facts not just opinion or knee jerk reactions. Plus please respect my opinion in this matter and lets hold a civilized debate and try not to one star each other like adolescent children. With that said lets move on.

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Obviously reason doesnt mean anything to children, nor does respect. I got one stared anyway.

When all is considered, I say Screw the Professions, I want Content, Originality, Quests, Loot, Diversity, Continuity,etc...

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All in all, I must say you are 100% correct. I have never seen a game with such pitiful loot before. I have found 3 treasure maps in this game and found crap like CDEF Pistols and wooden staffs in each of them...talk about garbage. The NPC missions are a joke also and the quests...uh, go here, kill that, come back get hardly nothing in return. I totally agree with you.

But if the game cant even keep true with the books and such, how do expect it to be better in other areas as well.