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Thread: NGE Discussion Thread.
NGE - Discussion Thread.
Please feel free to discuss any & all aspects of the NGE here, note that this is just a community thread, so please do not expect any Dev replies here.
For more information on the NGE please see the Read Only information thread here.
As always guys, please, keep it civil & keep it spam free. I know many of you may be upset by the changes that are happening, but please, if you wish to express that do it in a calm way.
Message Edited by Mankind00 on 11-04-2005 02:26 PM
Most of the stuff is alrdy said in nearly all forums for a hundred times.... so I just want to spread a few words from the Core Systems Boards, written by Noe Noa:
To the Developers,
While I cannot claim that I speak on behalf of the entire community, I do believe that my comments here will reflect much of what most of the veterans of this game feel at the release of the upcoming "game enchancements" information today.
To start off, for those who don't know me, I am a veteran SWG player. I tracked the game prior to release, and pre-ordered the Collector's Edition on the first day. I have played this game since day one. I own three accounts, all of which I have leveled myself. One is a Jedi, the others are non-Jedi characters. Two of those accounts are currently active (for the time being). I served as the Scout Correspondent from July 2003 until February of 2005, being the second longest serving Correspondent in the game. I attended the first Fan-fest in Anaheim (I live in Washington, DC) and I attended the Correspondent Summit in Austin, where I met Julio, Tiggs, and reintroduced myself to many of the rest of the design team that I had met at Fan-fest, including Thunderheart, Keldarin, GreenMarine (no longer with SOE) and many others. I alpha tested Jump-to-Lightspeed, and beta tested Rage of the Wookies and the Trials of Obi-Wan. I do believe that all of these experiences lend significant emphasis and credability to the opinions I want to express here.
I have reviewed the FAQ, as well as Julio's letter to the community. While it took a while to understand the magnitude of what is happening here, I have come to grips with it.
These game changes, in my opinion, represent a serious breach of trust with the community and fail to take into account the efforts that the veterans of this community have made in the game.
It is a slap in the face to announce these changes - changes which may take effect within three weeks or less to the game - ONE DAY after a new expansion that many of us have purchased copies of, some multiple copies of, was released. The dust has not even settled on The Trials of Obi-Wan, and now we are being presented with changes that will completely change the way the game looks, feels and is played. In my mind, this is little better than a virtual bait-and-switch perpetrated on the entire community.
I am well aware of the development process, thanks to my work as a Correspondent. I know that these changes must have been in the pipeline for months, particularly if all of the coding will be completed in less than one months time. The Combat Balance/Upgrade/Revamp that I assisted with and helped to shape in Austin at the Summit and throughout the process took over a year and half to develop, code and complete. Yet this entire process was done in secret, including all of the PR preparations made by Tiggs and the SOE Community Relations staff, and sprung on the community without an inkling two days after the expansion was released.
In real life, I'm a lobbyist, and I've been working in Washington for 10 years. So I've seen a lot of conspiracy theories come and go. And If I were a cynic, I would say that this was a carefully timed announcement, designed to hit the community right after the expansion was released, so that SOE and LEC could have gotten the money for the expansion from as many veterans as possible, hoping that that capital would keep the game going through the massive wave of cancellations from those same veterans when changes of this magnitude were announced. And once all the veterans are gone, marketing could focus on bringing new players to the game, who had no knowledge of the previous two years and wouldn't have a problem with what you've done here. I hope to God that that's just the anger talking here, because if any part of what I've said is just true, it would represent the biggest rip-off of an entire gaming community in the history of the gaming industry.
I feel cheated and ripped off. And I think I speak for a large portion of the community when I say that.
And this is how I feel strictly based on the timing of the announcement. The actual changes you are proposing are worse.
Changes of this magnitude, less than 6 months after changes of a similiar magnitude, make it hard for me to accept that this game will still be Star Wars Galaxies. If anything, these game enchancements seem to be attempting to turn SWG into some kind of amalgamation of World of Warcraft, Planetside and Knights of the Old Republic. This isn't why I play SWG, and isn't why I've stuck with this game for two years.
And while I recognize that we veterans will receive "elder" buffs and status in the game, that's not enough. How do you begin to repay someone for the hundreds and thousands of hours they've spent playing this game, building up credits, skills, guilds, equipment, etc. and then wiping away everything they've accomplished in less than a month? I can't tell you the number of days I've taken off work to play SWG, or ignored a deadline or got an extension on a project just to stay out a bit later in a great XP group. All of that is for naught - you are invalidating most of what I've accomplished in the game in two years and in return, I get a special buff. That's not enough.
Rangers were promised a complete revamp less than a month ago, with outlines and changes that got many of them excited about the game again. Now, Rangers have been removed. The profession that I advocated on behalf of for nearly two years, Scout, is gone. The hours and hours I spent writing and rewriting guides for the community on the profession are now worthless.
And worse than the fact that the changes can't begin to compensate for what I'm losing, you're destroying what has kept most people in this game as long as we've been here - the community.
And its already happening. I recently cancelled my World of Warcraft account (even after the news of their new expansion) to come back to SWG full time, and one of the main reasons I cited was the community. My guild on Bloodfin, which is comprised of approximately 60 players with probably close 150 accounts all-together has almost fallen apart IN THE SPAN OF FIVE HOURS. Just looking through my ventrilo, I see people with comments of "5 accounts cancelled", "3 accounts cancelled", "Anybody want to buy 100 mill credits", "3 Jedi for sale cheap, will take food for trade". These are all veteran gamers, guild leaders, beta testers, the kinds of players that MMO designers listen to and make games specifically for - and they're all unhappy. Not a single person I've spoken to is happy right now.
This entire process is fatally flawed. It's flawed because there have been consistent promises made to this community by the Community Relations staff that major changes to the game would be discussed in the community and that we would have some kind of say over them. There's a reason why there are "In Dev", "In Testing" and "In Concept" forums on these boards. But they weren't used here.
Do you even understand the magnitude of what you're doing? If you don't right now, you will when you get the metrics back on how many accounts were cancelled today.
Stop this process now. Get community feedback. Ignore the focus groups and the exit polls and LISTEN to your community. Focus groups and polling is all well and good - I use it myself. But nothing beats getting out in and amongst the actual people who play this game and hearing what they think about this. Make these changes gradual. Do them a little at a time, so that people can get used to them and integrate them into their playstyle. The game was made in a day, it doesn't need to be remade in a day.
Better yet, don't go forward with the changes at all - save them for Star Wars Galaxies II - The Search for More Money. (I hope you all get the reference).
For the sake of all of us who have put so much into this game, and even for those players who simply log in once in a while, kill a few stormtroopers but pay their $15 a month for it, reconsider these changes and allow the community a chance to respond and contribute to the process.
This is our game. It is our money and it is our free time. Respect us. Give us the opportunity to affect this process in a meaningful, cooperative way. It is the very least that we have earned through our dedication and loyalty to this game.
BRISC RUBAL
Thatguyfubu wrote:
According to info the brawler corro that was givin to the commando corro it looks like the professions will have specializations. Such as in commando you can specialize in melee and be a commando that is strictly melee combat.These seems pretty cool but then again I am a TKM / Master Commando.
Yes, to my understanding, nearly everything is still there in one way or another, however how it is organised is split out more. You have your proffesion (aka Class) but then you have your Weaponskills.
I've heard it's likly to bring back hybrids of melee & ranged (I am one myself, a TKA Pistoleer), & so in that respect, I think it could be very good.
Ah well, no rant, then, sorry, for not replying earlier, but the buggy forums denied my login......
1. NGE is a RipOff: Tehy put out "new exciting" stuff just 3 weeks after an expansion nearly everyone bought, with the sight of continuity, nice rewards etc., and pets to tame. I know this isnt the CH forum, but a profession like this is cheated in the badest way ever. Also, why did they never told nayone before about this? This isnt planned and developed since the launch of ToOB, so why? The answer is clear, cause they feared noone would by the expansion with such changes in sight..... well however, I think u will say again I should stop the rant so /dump
2. How does the murder of variety of a game enhance the game? SWG was the only game with such a big variety of different professions, ways to play the game, deceide for combat or civilian live etc.. I never wanted to be "Boba Fett", I didnt see Boba killing a single Jedi in the films ( I didnt read the books ) , but I did, and I was lucky to have this opportunity. I never really saw melee fights ( expect saber fights if u wanna count them in ) in the films as they are introduced to the game, but who cares... it was always fun. The Cu alrdy simplified the game a lot and I dont see this as a positive aspect. The NGE will simplify it further so in the end it will not be harder to understand how to play, then "Doom" or such a **edit**.
3. Removal of all decay to all items....... ah great, SOE, u really know how to serve the Artisans.... I guess I dont need to explain why an idea like this is plainly stupid.....
.... tbh Im tired of discussing around such things..... I cancelled my account already a few days before knowledge of NGE and it was not a day to early.... Im downloading testcenter atm to have a look on the changes... bit tbh,
I'm black-eye, trandoshan with the profession of choice,
I'm not Han Solo, I'm not Boba Fett, I'm not Luke Skywalker and
I'M NOT LEIA ORGANA!!!
Am i the only "vet" that really like th elook of these new changes?
Until yesterday i didnt even have the client of swg installed on my PC, within a couple of hours of reading these new changes i have re-installed the game, reacivated my account and am very excited about these new changes even though both of the proffession i chose to master (rifleman/ranger) have been removed.
if u look on the announcment about CU2 it says that smugglers are as good without weapons as with pistols
i think that this suggests that smuggler is the new TKA in the CU2
I'm just so annoyed that I will not be able to be a TKM/Dancer. What was the harm in kicking someone's ass & then doing a dance to their death after? Stupid SOE/LA, I'm not happy with you at all right now. I want to be a Smuggler & an Entertainer, don't make me choose 1 or the other cause my choice may be to just to find a 'splotz/haxx to work around this crap. Oh I'm not leaving, you're not taking Star Wars away from me.
THIS WAS NOT A RANT.........