Tailor Archive
Thread: Non-tailor's opinion on the socket situation
While I agree that certain items are worth more than others based on quality, realize that:
- we have no control over the number of sockets and
- we don't crate-produce
If an armorsmith gets good materials, he can expect more quality results. Not the case for us. If an armorsmith gets a crit fail (which happens entirely too often) - eh no biggie, try a few more times and do a crate run. We can't do crate runs because of the variety of items and colors.
These two factors make this issue quite frustrating and annoying.
jfang wrote:
To begin with, let me say that I am not a tailor, and have no intentions of picking it up. As a non-tailor, my opinion is that the reduction of sockets was a good thing... (snip)
I placed an order for a 4 socketed gunman's duster... (snip)
Ok, I don't buy this at all. Well, I do agree at least with your point about announcing it. I've said all along that announcing it would only hurt us (in several ways). But as far as you saying that the socket nerf was a good thing, and then saying that you yourself are a socket-concious customer, oh boy, I sure can't agree with that. You talk about a BER 14 fusion. Well, there are two very big differences here. The first difference is that when they made that change to architects experimentationthey *increased* the top yields of harvesters. That's right, the fusions and harvesters that were made before the change were far far far inferior to the ones made after the change. In fact, they were so far inferior that my old heavies actually have smaller yields than the new mediums do! So let's apply that concept to tailoring. If they were to do the same thing to us they would say"ok, we start with 4 sockets and then there is a random distribution on top of that such that say 8 sockets was difficult to achieve". That's difference #1. Difference #2 is the fact that an architect controls the quality of their products. They have the ability to select what materials will give them the quality that they desire, and they have the ability to get the necessary experimentation points to make it happen (including crafting aprons and other skill tapes). Tailors do not have this opportunity.
Also, while it's nice of you to agree to pay 10x the price of a gunman's duster in an attempt to get a 4 socket one, surely you understand that such a thing is not the norm.
ArthurDentOnBria wrote:
jfang wrote:
To begin with, let me say that I am not a tailor, and have no intentions of picking it up. As a non-tailor, my opinion is that the reduction of sockets was a good thing... (snip)
I placed an order for a 4 socketed gunman's duster... (snip)
Ok, I don't buy this at all. Well, I do agree at least with your point about announcing it. I've said all along that announcing it would only hurt us (in several ways). But as far as you saying that the socket nerf was a good thing, and then saying that you yourself are a socket-concious customer, oh boy, I sure can't agree with that. You talk about a BER 14 fusion. Well, there are two very big differences here. The first difference is that when they made that change to architects experimentationthey *increased* the top yields of harvesters. That's right, the fusions and harvesters that were made before the change were far far far inferior to the ones made after the change. In fact, they were so far inferior that my old heavies actually have smaller yields than the new mediums do! So let's apply that concept to tailoring. If they were to do the same thing to us they would say"ok, we start with 4 sockets and then there is a random distribution on top of that such that say 8 sockets was difficult to achieve". That's difference #1. Difference #2 is the fact that an architect controls the quality of their products. They have the ability to select what materials will give them the quality that they desire, and they have the ability to get the necessary experimentation points to make it happen (including crafting aprons and other skill tapes). Tailors do not have this opportunity.
Also, while it's nice of you to agree to pay 10x the price of a gunman's duster in an attempt to get a 4 socket one, surely you understand that such a thing is not the norm.
Syzygy-Gorath wrote:
Harvesters yes. Fusion Ions no. Used to be able to make a BER23 Fusion Ion…not anymore. But other than that good points.
Hmm, I'm at a loss. When they changed architect so that their experimentation mattered I had a fusion harvester already. Then when all the stats suddenly appeared on them I think all my heavies had BER 8 and the fusion had like BER 10 or something. I had to completely re-purchase my entire line of harvesters to get competitive ones, including the fusion. Everyone was selling BER 13 fusions at that time. Then only weeks/months later did I start seeing the BER 14 fusions starting to become more common.
If what you say is true, where are these BER23fusions? Wouldn't there be an enormous "pre-nerf" fusion harvester market right now?
ArthurDentOnBria wrote:
Syzygy-Gorath wrote:
Harvesters yes. Fusion Ions no. Used to be able to make a BER23 Fusion Ion…not anymore. But other than that good points.
Hmm, I'm at a loss. When they changed architect so that their experimentation mattered I had a fusion harvester already. Then when all the stats suddenly appeared on them I think all my heavies had BER 8 and the fusion had like BER 10 or something. I had to completely re-purchase my entire line of harvesters to get competitive ones, including the fusion. Everyone was selling BER 13 fusions at that time. Then only weeks/months later did I start seeing the BER 14 fusions starting to become more common.
If what you say is true, where are these BER23fusions? Wouldn't there be an enormous "pre-nerf" fusion harvester market right now?
The way I understand it, the FI BER change was sudden, and they hadn't been able to make BER23s for very long, so they're out there, but they're pretty rare. I believe they run about 10 mil per, assuming you can even find someone willing to part with theirs. *shrugs* Sounds a bit like the BE mixup, only less capitolized upon.
ArthurDentOnBria wrote:
If what you say is true, where are these BER23fusions? Wouldn't there be an enormous "pre-nerf" fusion harvester market right now?
I have never seen BER23, but I have a BER16 one. I don't think many people are giving the old ones up.