Tailor Archive
Thread: What to charge for schematics???
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Calvintus
Sun Feb 01, 2004 11:52 am
#1
People are always coming up to me with fiberpalst and metal saying make me a scematic for this and that. In example a run of 1000 synthetic cloths. I think they expect me to make them one for next to nothing. Assuming a crate of 25 synth cloths cost 2500, 1000 cloths would run them 100000, so if I charge 10,000 for a synth cloth schematic, being 10% of 100,000, people are saying I am ripping them off.
WHAT DO YOU GUYS CHARGE?!?!
Lets set the prices here right now!
WHAT DO YOU GUYS CHARGE?!?!
Lets set the prices here right now!
Rahvin01
Sun Feb 01, 2004 2:09 pm
#2
I dont charge...we need to becarfull of that dreaded word GREED..it will slap u in the face in the long run...I just tell them to tip me..sounds fair..and if you dont want to make shems..just say no your busy..your not obligated to anyone..
donnah42
Sun Feb 01, 2004 2:20 pm
#3
Not charging for schems? Personally I don't care if charging makes me seem greedy, but based on the money that they will make off that cloth I think we're due more of a cut than a little tip of whatever they feel like giving.
I really dislike the idea that schems aren't that valuable, because they are. I charge 20-30k for a schem (depending on how polite the smith is when they ask me for it). And while I have had some of them call me greedy for it, I counter that they're the greedy ones for wanting to get the ability to run that much synth for next to nothing. I charge 3k/crate for synth, so at my price that much synth would run them 120k. So 20k when they're providing their own materials is actually a good deal.
I really dislike the idea that schems aren't that valuable, because they are. I charge 20-30k for a schem (depending on how polite the smith is when they ask me for it). And while I have had some of them call me greedy for it, I counter that they're the greedy ones for wanting to get the ability to run that much synth for next to nothing. I charge 3k/crate for synth, so at my price that much synth would run them 120k. So 20k when they're providing their own materials is actually a good deal.
RandDarkstar
Sun Feb 01, 2004 2:31 pm
#4
Well, there is another option. I charge 10cpu for my crates. Fiberpanels: 2500, Synth: 5000, RFP: 7500
That's high, but that's how much they will make me when I turn them into clothing. It's the formula for my pricing guide. I offer 10% off if they but over 20 crates. But I also offer them an option. Free use of my factory, so long as they keep up the maintenance and power on it. I will supply the scematic, and THEY supply the material. I tell them that I will be pulling crates out for my own use, though never more than 5 or 6 a day. I still have a good supply in my shop.
Rahvin01
Sun Feb 01, 2004 2:46 pm
#5
alll my crates I sell for 4k no matter what it is..sorry guys I guess Im that 1 in a million that isnt out to make a buck.dang I mean common..people know me by my generosity..I have a ton of freinds..and am constantly in tell helll..I wouldnt change anything for 20k..here..its on me =p...
Dite
Sun Feb 01, 2004 9:49 pm
#6
Rahvin01 wrote:
sorry guys I guess Im that 1 in a million that isnt out to make a buck.dang I mean common..people know me by my generosity..
I am known to be very generous as well, but I can lay it out in simpler terms
I am a Master Tailor, schematics are something that in the world of semi-reality, would be passed down to apprentices and novices. If someone wants a basic item crafted by a Master Tailor, they must pay out the nose for it. Espeically when I can be using that time (however brief) to create items at no charge to new players.
If a player insists on getting a schematic from me, then they can pay me for my time. Or, they can find a Novive tailor and probably pay significantly less. It has absolutely nothing to do with money for me. It has to do with what my time is worth to me.
TashSunrider
Mon Feb 02, 2004 4:25 am
#7
Tailors who think they are osovery friendly cause they craft for free because they do it for fun and not for the credits need to realize that they destroy the source of income for the tailors who need the credits made in their sales.
You have a friend who is scout and gives you all hides you need for free and all his lots so you can run 16 harvestors to get all ressources for almost free too? nice for you, but there are other tailors out there who cant afford to sell their stuff for less than the ressources needed would make if they are sold raw.
By being "friendly" you destroy the market. Do you have ANY clue at all how much those poor poor ppl you give your clothes for free or almost free to can earn if they want to?
I certainly dont need the credits i make as tailor either, but i wont give my stuff away for free. I made 100k a week as full-time tailor (i admit i was working slow, but i did it for fun). Now i picked up a fighting profession and can make 100k in like 20min max. Fighters pay millions for weapons which have like 20 points more damage than others and hundrets of thousands even for bad armor. Why do you think tailoring isnt worth anything?
It's very time-consuming, and i have to chargeresonable pricesfor the sole reason to keep my order list managable already. To practically give away clothes to ppl who dont really need charity doesnt help them, hurts the tailor community and will burn you out pretty soon. I dont see where that is "friendly" rather than shortsighted.
I certainly dont need the credits i make as tailor either, but i wont give my stuff away for free. I made 100k a week as full-time tailor (i admit i was working slow, but i did it for fun). Now i picked up a fighting profession and can make 100k in like 20min max. Fighters pay millions for weapons which have like 20 points more damage than others and hundrets of thousands even for bad armor. Why do you think tailoring isnt worth anything?
It's very time-consuming, and i have to chargeresonable pricesfor the sole reason to keep my order list managable already. To practically give away clothes to ppl who dont really need charity doesnt help them, hurts the tailor community and will burn you out pretty soon. I dont see where that is "friendly" rather than shortsighted.
donnah42
Mon Feb 02, 2004 11:43 am
#8
TashSunrider wrote:Tailors who think they are osovery friendly cause they craft for free because they do it for fun and not for the credits need to realize that they destroy the source of income for the tailors who need the credits made in their sales.
I agree completely. I no longer need the money (though about a month and a half ago I really really did), but there's no way I'm lowering my prices. Most of the reason for that is I think my time, skills, and experience are worth the money. When someone comes to me, they're not just paying for the materials it takes me to put together something for them. They're paying for my months of experience as a tailor. They're paying for my fashion sense. And they're paying to make it worth my time.
I've never understood why some folks associate "being nice" with their pricing. I'd consider myself very nice to my customers but there's no way I budge on prices. Everyone but the freshest noob can easily afford clothes that are priced even on the high side. Of course the average customer wants to pay as little as possible. But charging super super low prices isn't nice to the tailoring community because it devalues all of our skills. It's not nice to the newer tailors who rely on their profit margin to pay for their factories and shops but are forced to lower prices and increase production because they see what others are charging and think they have to compete with that.
Lower priced folks really aren't affecting me that much, but I'm a Master Tailor with an established customer base. As a lower level tailor a good amount of my income was built around selling synth cloth. So when I hear about someone making a thousand count schematic for tips, I cringe and am happy I've already made it.
ArthurDentOnBria
Mon Feb 02, 2004 1:30 pm
#9
Rahvin01 wrote:
I dont charge...we need to becarfull of that dreaded word GREED..it will slap u in the face in the long run...I just tell them to tip me..sounds fair..and if you dont want to make shems..just say no your busy..your not obligated to anyone..
Greed? no. What it is, is setting up an expectation in others that your time and the skills you've worked hard to get has value. Also, many novice tailors make good money selling synthetic cloths. By giving away free schematics you are undercutting them whether you know it or not.
ArthurDentOnBria
Mon Feb 02, 2004 1:34 pm
#10
Well, let me ask you this... if I moved a store next to yours, and gave all clothes away for free since I certainly don't need the money, am I being generous? or am I being a jerk? Think about it.
Rahvin01 wrote:
alll my crates I sell for 4k no matter what it is..sorry guys I guess Im that 1 in a million that isnt out to make a buck.dang I mean common..people know me by my generosity
Calvintus
Tue Feb 03, 2004 11:32 am
#11
Rahvin01 wrote:
alll my crates I sell for 4k no matter what it is..sorry guys I guess Im that 1 in a million that isnt out to make a buck.dang I mean common..people know me by my generosity..I have a ton of freinds..and am constantly in tell helll..I wouldnt change anything for 20k..here..its on me =p...
You call selling crates of fiberplast panels for 4k generous!!!??? I call it a downright rip-off!!!!
Calvintus
Tue Feb 03, 2004 11:42 am
#12
P.S. Now that I'm on the subject.....what do you charge for crates? I charge 5cpu. Since fiberplast panels come out of the factory in crates of 50, a crate of fp for 2500.
Synth cloth also goes for 2500 creds, but thats for a crate of 25.
While the reinforced fiber goes for 3500 a crate of 25.
I feel I may be undercutting some tailors on the bazaar by not splitting my cases. But that's life. I'm still getting 5 cpu.
I harvest all fiberplast and chems (and power) myself too, so all it costs me is the initial cost of factory purchase and maintenance.
Honest to God I dont like making schematics. How do I not know people are amking them for 10 times the profit????
Synth cloth also goes for 2500 creds, but thats for a crate of 25.
While the reinforced fiber goes for 3500 a crate of 25.
I feel I may be undercutting some tailors on the bazaar by not splitting my cases. But that's life. I'm still getting 5 cpu.
I harvest all fiberplast and chems (and power) myself too, so all it costs me is the initial cost of factory purchase and maintenance.
Honest to God I dont like making schematics. How do I not know people are amking them for 10 times the profit????
Gyopi
Tue Feb 03, 2004 12:07 pm
#13
Calvintus wrote:
You call selling crates of fiberplast panels for 4k generous!!!??? I call it a downright rip-off!!!!
I don't want to be dragged into another pointless pricing discussion, but I charge 7K for a crate of fiberplast panels. It is so expensivebecause I hate to sell cloth, I am always running short of just about every type, and being a cloth producer is no fun for me. If some other tailor wants to move next door to me and charge 1K per crate, I don't care! Its less that I have to deal with. This is all I have to say on this subject.
Message Edited by Gyopi on 02-03-2004 02:08 PM
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