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I've just tested this and in fact, when you re-equip your weapon it would appear that the MD/RD clothes do work.

I had a friend duel me and I put my +17 MD/RD bandolier on and off with my weapon. Once I re-equiped my damage went down by 1 or so as expected since defense affects both the chance to hit and the damage.

EDIT: I'm adding a transcript of my combat chat so you don't have to read the grainy screenshot.

No pistol, no bandolier
Hit for 148
No pistol, bandolier
Hit for 148 [bad! No effect]
Pistol, bandolier
Hit for 143 [Pistol defense mods kick in and maybe the MD/RD effects]
No pistol, bandolier
Hit for 147 [Slight effect so maybe working]
pistol, bandolier
Hit for 143

My screenshot is here. And here is some more background from my thread in the chefs forums.

Message Edited by Barafu on 08-31-2005 01:00 PM

Hey Thanks

Hopefully more peeps look in here and a few more test this. I figured it would work both ways, glad to know someone tested it

Wow that is really interesting. We could definitely use some testers on this issue...

What do you do if you are unarmed? Do you equip a weapon and then unequip it to produce the "update?"

I've added a transcript to my post so you don't have to read the grainy screenshot.

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NJ62 wrote:
Wow that is really interesting. We could definitely use some testers on this issue...

What do you do if you are unarmed? Do you equip a weapon and then unequip it to produce the "update?"

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Sorry to tell you, but...

Changing weapon effects weapon based Defenses. IT IS NOT ABOUT CLOTHING.However, with previous posters method, I'll try again later, however, best way to try if it is about weapons or not is to try with a lightsaber, since Lightsabers has "no" defense mods unlike other weapons.

I posted this on boards earlier:

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SlaserX wrote:

Too bad that doesnt work for the augmentation efficiency. With my current suit, it adds +66 to my base 75, but it does nothing (2 seperate mod bug) o.-

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are you sure it doesn't work?

docs have said that it does make the buff duration longer, which is what the tissues are suppose to do.

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gera wrote:

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NJ62 wrote:
Wow that is really interesting. We could definitely use some testers on this issue...

What do you do if you are unarmed? Do you equip a weapon and then unequip it to produce the "update?"

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Sorry to tell you, but...

Changing weapon effects weapon based Defenses. IT IS NOT ABOUT CLOTHING. However, with previous posters method, I'll try again later, however, best way to try if it is about weapons or not is to try with a lightsaber, since Lightsabers has "no" defense mods unlike other weapons.

I posted this on boards earlier:

With or without clothes, there is no single difference in damage mitigation & miss ratio with BE Melee / Ranged defense clothes on JvJ & PvP

Over 50 simple Saber Hits and same damage 272 of 582, with clothes (8 miss) & without clothes (9 miss) (of full +15 melee/ranged defense in all pieces of clothing (around total +60)

Over 50 simple Ranged Shots and same damage 215 of 565 with clothes (14 miss) & without clothes (14 miss) with same clothing.

Thinking missing ratio is kind of random, we can assume BE clothes not working. However, 250 might be defense cap, over this, it may not effect. I would like to see other tests on non MDEF's as well.

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This is good data. A few comments:

-The number of attacks is too small for you to be able to say anything mathematically significant about the to hit chance but the fact that your damage did not change confirms that the MD/RD clothes do not do anything without other circumstances (e.g. the re-equip weapon hypothesis).

-Having +60 in various clothes won't actually stack any higher than the +25 hard cap on skill mods.

-By all testing I've done there is no defense cap and in fact this excellent thread shows you how to calculate exactly the damage mitigation effects expected from increasing your defense. I've tested the formula several times and found that it is accurate to within a couple of points, as asserted by the original poster there.

-When you did your tests, did you re-equip your weapon after putting on the MD/RD clothes? As you read, that is when I saw the very slight damage mitigation effect from the clothes.

Thanks for contributing to the testing and discussion.

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Barafu wrote:


This is good data. A few comments:

-The number of attacks is too small for you to be able to say anything mathematically significant about the to hit chance but the fact that your damage did not change confirms that the MD/RD clothes do not do anything without other circumstances (e.g. the re-equip weapon hypothesis).
No, as I mentioned there I could not try it with equip-unequip weapon. However, Lightsaber skill tree has no effect over defenses whatsoever. Unequip lightsaber or equip, your defenses are same unlike any other combat proffessions.

-Having +60 in various clothes won't actually stack any higher than the +25 hard cap on skill mods.
They do stack in Character Sheet as far as I can tell and with various specials (such as Force Aura, Center of Being adding +500 defenses) we can tell there is no virtual limit nor cap.

-By all testing I've done there is no defense cap and in fact this excellent thread shows you how to calculate exactly the damage mitigation effects expected from increasing your defense. I've tested the formula several times and found that it is accurate to within a couple of points, as asserted by the original poster there.

-When you did your tests, did you re-equip your weapon after putting on the MD/RD clothes? As you read, that is when I saw the very slight damage mitigation effect from the clothes.
As I said previously, lightsaber has no effect whatsoever to defenses. If you are pistoleer, and you unequip pistol you loose significant portion of skill named "Pistol Defense". That might change on various proffessions but not in Lightsaber proffession.

Thanks for contributing to the testing and discussion.

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And above all, I will retry as soon as I can.