Tailor Archive

Thread: We need a HoloClothier

Srednii
Thu Jan 22, 2004 7:25 pm
#1

I notice there's a "Holographic 'Dressing Room' tool" idea in the tailoring wishes dreams and screams thread, but I was thinking today about this and thought I'd expand and share my vision.


We need a little machine we can set up in our shop that a player can use, which while being used, will show different styles and colors and what they look like on that player. Combine that with a number system for the colors and a player could come to a tailor shoppe, use the holo imager to browse and decide what they want, and then place an order for such and such an item in colors 14& 28.


Simple and concise.


Now I know some of you tailors like the give and take of fitting sessions, figuring out exactly the color the customer wants, but lets be realistic. None of us have the time to do this for our entire customer base, which leaves most of the players wearing basic black (not just by inclination I believe, but also lack of opportunity).


This could potentially decrease some of the stock we need to keep in store (hello devs, idea's not nerfs) by making it unnecesary to carry every item in every color.


Now I've envisioned this machine as an item tailor can make, which grants access to the same clothes and colors the tailor who makes it has access to. So a novice tailor built HoloClothier(tm) would be able to image novice clothes and novice colors, while a master HoloClothier would have the full range of clothing and colors for people to sample.

I also envision a machine that while built by a tailor can be owned and placed by anybody in any player structure. So while a tailor would run his own free HoloClothier in his shop for customer convienience, that same tailor might also make and sell a HoloClothier to a popularplayer cantina owner who would operate it with a small access fee in his bar (access fee granting 30 minutes of use say), bar patrons could play with style and color while they chit chat in the happeningest nightclubs of SWG.


This could be a must have item for serious entertainers (plus motivation for them to actually place homes). The clothes horses of SWG could buy a HoloClothier and mix and match and play around with color combo's to their hearts content. Ordering this and that, ordering everything they find that they love.


Now I don't know how viable this is, and I don't know if tailors would/should be the makers of it (maby artisans or architects), but I just thought I'd share.


Thoughts? Comments? Rip this to pieces and come up with an even better idea I don't mind, but share your thoughts fellow tailors. Apologies if an earlier detailed version of this idea already exists somewhere .



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Sre'dni Vashtar - Bria
sv Armoury -4976, 2712 Corellia
_Flash_
Thu Jan 22, 2004 8:18 pm
#2

I think that's probably the best idea that I've heard about the whole holo-vis...whatever you call it, yet. Schmart thinkin'!!



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SST : The oldest Imperial guild on the server OH NOES!
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Gyopi
Thu Jan 22, 2004 9:21 pm
#3

Then my job as a tailor would be to do something like open my crafting tool to trim lined shirts, out in some ingredients and click colors 46 and 152? What would be the fun in that? If that was how things worked, why not have a machine that the players play around with the different clothing options, colors them and when they like it they put in some money and hit the button for the machine to make the clothes for them? No. I don't like the idea of a holoclothier at all and in any form. It just turns me into a button clicking machine, no different from someone grinding.






Momoko--Master Tailor near Kaadara on Lowca--
Come to Sitateya boutique at (5083 5804) on Naboo for elegant fashions, accessories, cute outfits, uniforms or any other clothing needs.
Eimi -- Master Bioengineer - Master Image Designer on Lowca--
Eimiko--Master Image Designer on TestCenter--

donnah42
Thu Jan 22, 2004 10:06 pm
#4

I've always been against this idea because I don't want to become a fashion design do-it-yourself terminal. Customers who are picky enough to want to know about every schematic and every color are the types who don't mind alt+tabbing out to an external website.

As tailors, our entire gameplay experience is based around customer interaction and creativity. A system like this would ruin the creative aspect of tailoring for me. I agree completely with Gyopi, if they add this, they may as well replace me with an NPC or terminal clothing merchant.



Kara Vasa
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Radiant Master Tailor
Mayor of Barsoom, Rori
Stalag
Thu Jan 22, 2004 10:26 pm
#5

I understand your point, and see some good in it, but as a tailor nothing feels better than wowing your customer. They have part of an idea, but you make it great. There are many loyal customers that only use me, because I can do this. Otherwise, any Holo tailor could just make anything without really caring for the client.


Nihm,


Master Tailor, Lowca





Nihm Rats, Master Tailor and Art Dealer, Lowca

Vendor in Mos Boonta at -235, 3579 near Mos Entha
-or-
Vendor in Nihm's Art Museum -691, -3564 near Coronet
Srednii
Fri Jan 23, 2004 2:57 am
#6

heh, well I thought it was a good idea , ah well. I suppose it's cause I don't like working with customers, I don't like bugering around with colors until the indesisive git finally chooses black. I like having my little shop, where I stock my vendors with everything and the customer can browse and choose for himself, which alas is being taken away from me by the up coming 150item/vendor nerf.


And I don't think there's anywhere near enough of us to do designer clothing for everyone. How fast would you get burnt out if everyone wanted your personalized and devoted attention in designing a new outfit?


You could still take part, and impart idea's. Letting customers see their options ahead of time doesn't grant said customers taste, or the ability to color coordinate . You could fill your shop with neat outfits, instead of 1 of each type of clothing



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Sre'dni Vashtar - Bria
sv Armoury -4976, 2712 Corellia
ArthurDentOnBria
Fri Jan 23, 2004 11:17 am
#7

Yea, I'm against any type of viewing or preview mechanism because the clothing making experience is really the only thing that defines what a tailor is and what makes us different from every other profession. But then again if some people get their way, and color gets effectively removed completely from the equation (by vendor limits and customers ability to color it themselves) then who knows.



ArthurDent - former Bio Engineer, Tailor, and Droid Engineer
Account cancelled 7/8/05 due to game breaking bugs in these professions that have been neglected for FAR too long. Last day July 27 2005
custom tailoring and droid orders welcome. "making Evil products since July 2003"
Achiever: 80%, Explorer: 60%, Socializer: 46%, Killa 13%


Srednii
Fri Jan 23, 2004 11:52 am
#8

heh, ok ya'll don't like the idea. no need to one star me . hmm.. how about a tool or machine that only a tailor could use, that would do the same sort of thing.


But then a tailor could use it to show different outfits, in different colors to potential customers without needing to actually make the items. You could meet up with a customer, pop up your holo display and go through different clothing types and colors, showing them what you can do.


Then you're still in control, and being creative. It would be faster, and less wastefull to be able to flip around with colors and clothing without making each one.


Tailor: How about this shirt and this color?
Customer: hmm... I'd like something to show my middrift, and this green is pukey.
40 seconds later
Tailor: How's this item?
Customer: ya, I like that shirt, but the colors still off. Is there a less vivid green?
40 seconds later
Tailor: Here's a nice forest green
Customer: Bleh, I don't like green. Can you make it in black?
40 seconds later
Tailor: Black shirt.
Customer: Cool, I'll take it!
Tailor: that'll be 500 credits.


could instead be


Tailor: Basic shirt in green.
Customer: Anything that bears the middrift?
1 second, buttons are pushed
Tailor: Does this style suit?
Customer: Yeah, I like it, a little deeper green tho?
buttons...
Customer: deeper...
buttons...
Customer: Perfect!
40seconds later
Tailor: Here ya go, that'll be 500 credits.



You'd still be able to exercise creative control, while making the process more streamlined, and less time consuming. Most customers would probably still come to you with requests like "Make me look cool" so you'd still be able to put forth your idea's and favorites, but it would also give the customer the chance to fine tune a little bit to their own tastes, without wasteing tons of time, and making a bunch of rejects.



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Sre'dni Vashtar - Bria
sv Armoury -4976, 2712 Corellia
Gyopi
Fri Jan 23, 2004 12:02 pm
#9

I didn't one star you! It looks like it happened to a bunch of us, though. Anyway, I really don't have much of a problem with picky customers. I ask a lot of questions before I start crafting and usually can get it close or perfect on the first try. I occasionally have a customer who wants to play the 'guess exactly what shade I want' game, which is annoying, but it doesn't happen often enough that I worry about it.




Momoko--Master Tailor near Kaadara on Lowca--
Come to Sitateya boutique at (5083 5804) on Naboo for elegant fashions, accessories, cute outfits, uniforms or any other clothing needs.
Eimi -- Master Bioengineer - Master Image Designer on Lowca--
Eimiko--Master Image Designer on TestCenter--

Elhana
Fri Jan 23, 2004 1:23 pm
#10


My first tailoring post but here goes anyway.


I can understand why this idea looks good, at least from the customers point of view but not from the tailors. So how about we turn it around. Make the holoclothier machine only work for tailors.


The tailor could have a machine, or several, around their store which only they can use, and it only lets them display clothing they can make using their colour paletes. They could be used as single item displays, or asI'd hope, as full outfit displays. This way the tailor could keep the customer interaction but instead of having to make item after item looking for that one perfect colour they could use the holoclothier to find the right one before they go and start crafting. This also would help tailors who really want to display some outfits AND be able to at least keep a small stock of resources and components handy in their store.


How I see this working would be that it would first of all be a device made by probably Master Artisans, though you could consider DE's as well as it's a very droid like device (Think Leia's holo message from Ep.4). It ought to be a fairly expensive device, maybe having a maintence cost like houses and vendors. Could even have Artisans experiment to reduce it's maintence cost, how far up the tailoring tree it can display items, how many it can display at once...etc.


When you access it first there would be an option window, gender, species settings so you don't give people ideas that they can wear wookie clothing and vice versa. Then there would need to be your list of items you can make, and finally a list of what it's displaying or got set in it already. You choose your item, select colours and it goes into the display list and updates when you click to exit the device.


Thinking about it some more you could turn the idea back around again, increasing the maintence cost, or just making two types of the same device. One for tailors only and another for public use. Then we have the choice, go for customer interaction and/or order following and just being a button pusher. I know there are times when I'd really just like to have exact orders to follow rather than deal with customers all the time.


So, ideas, thoughts, improvements?


Always best to present exact ideas what we'd like to dev's as free thinking, "Make us a / Do / Fix XXXXX!", brings such ideas as the 150 item vendor limit.



Val'rel Shia
Master Tailor & Master Dancer
Part of [The Firm] Superstore 1200m west of Mos Entha [80 x 3254]
Chimaera
RandDarkstar
Fri Jan 23, 2004 1:37 pm
#11

Back in beta, we had dispensing machines, and people could just go to an armour dispenser and get some composite armour. This sounds pretty similar. Give customers too many options and they will be unable to make a decision. Give an expert the opportunity to help them, and it's better.


This holo-tailor idea can go further. Why not have a holo-dancer. You don't need to have the hassle of actually dancing in the cantina. Just set up a viewing terminal in the cantina so people could stare at that. Heck, you could record a performance and it would run while you were logged off. A week later, you could log on and find your dancer has gotten to master.


Oh wait. There is supposed to be a point to these professions. We are supposed to interact with the customer.


Weaponsmiths and armourers don't need to tweak and fine tune their products, artisans don't have to get a weapon upgrade kit (WUK) just right for the customer. It's all about highest numbers, damage per second, resistances, etc. But for tailors, dancers, musicians, and image designers, it's about dealing with the look and feel of the player's avatar. That's personal and can't be done by remote control.


It would be easier if they could touch some buttons, and out pops their order, but kinda defeats the purpose of MMO if you don't want to deal with other players.



Jame'thiel Dreamweaver
Master Tailor, Colonel - Rebel Alliance, Gorath Server

Dex1138
Fri Jan 23, 2004 10:06 pm
#12

I would like to have something we could use to put outfits together. Like a holo-dummy or something that only we see. That way you could preview outfits for certain sex/species/colors without having to use the resources and/or find an appropriate person to model for you.



Tol "the Travelling Tailor" Doneeta
* Threads N' Things *
Fine Clothing and Furniture
Master Tailor | Kauri
(no relation to Tott Doneeta)


_Flash_
Sat Jan 24, 2004 8:22 pm
#13

Srednii, I like youre idea best. That way, you still interact with the customer, but you dont spend half of your valuable time waiting on the customer. One dude wanted a belt once (this was when I was about 0-2-0-1) and I even told him that I was not very high in the tree. I made him a few belts to choose from and he asked me for a certain type, and I told him that I couldnt make it yet, and he just says "okay whatever, just forget it.."


As a novice (no im not a powergamer so i cant afford that much resources) with those resources I could have put a few more items on the vendor. This way, you could show the people what it would look like. Even if you cant change the colors, if you could just show the people an outfit so you wont be wasting your valuable resources making the item.


I understand that tailors are supposed to be social with their customers, it could get very annoying after a while.Dont flame me, but I think this is a great idea, and I've been a tailor for a few months now (not yet to master though :smileywink





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Flash Woods - TKA / Jedi Nub / Pilot
SST : The oldest Imperial guild on the server OH NOES!
Peydro Sanchez - Pretty much the only PvPer who has a mustache

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