Tailor Archive
Thread: Lack of appreciation .. Rant Rant Rant!
Meeee-ow!
Comparison study of two female avatars, mine and my girlfriend's:
Torso: Mine about 80%, hers 100%. We both agree the avatars look better with some meat on their bones.
Makeup: Mine natural look, hers dramatic evening colors. Appropriate to our professions.
Clothing: Jacket and pants for me, over a bustier (one small concession to fashion), sports wrap for her. Again, profession specific -- I spend most of my time in the field.
If you have any more ridiculous and inaccurate generalizations about playing against gender, just toss 'em up and I'll shoot them down.
That just sucks is all I have to say. He/they are walking all over you it sounds like. I'd quit the guild if it were me. Most days I count my lucky stars that I'm unguilded, lol. If I did join a guild though, I would want at least some type of exclusivity arrangement. Whether it was to provide them with all their uniforms, or all the BE modified clothing, or casual clothing, or whatever, I certainly wouldn't do it if I were competing with others to provide the guild with my wares. No way in heck. And I certainly wouldn't join a guild that already had a tailor in it.
Breigh wrote:Well I dress like a woman but I don't run around in fleshwraps etc .. especially now that I am no longer a dancer.
I have heard the same thing, that you can always tell the "shemales" because they are the ones that are tall with the huge boobs and bright makeup with really skimpy clothing.haha I wonder how much truth there is to that.
Yea. I run into a lot of "women" who look so topheavy that they should fall over when then stand up. They also dress all in black and say things like, "Cn u mak me a gunman duster? My jacket looks gay."
Why do people CARE whether it's a woman behind the toon or not? Are they here to play a game or to ask someone on a date? When I get someone asking me whether I'm a woman or a man in RL, I'll answer the question, but I always wonder what motivates it. And when they start asking other sorts of personal questions, I usually cut it off pretty quick--it creeps me out. Sorry, but I've got a RL husband and a RL kid and a RL job and RL responsibilities. This is fantasy; I'm not here lookin' for luv in all the wrong places, so back off, dood.
As for being able to tell whether someone's male or female by how they dress or how they act, that's stereotyping BS. The only way to tell is to ask the person, and even then they could be lying; the only way you can know for sure is to know them in RL. Why worry about it? Interact with the character, not with the person pulling his/her/shis strings. Ignorance is bliss, and if Vivianna the Huntress turns out to be Joe Zoowicky the plumber, who gives a heck? It's Vivianna you're interested in, and nobody in his right mind would think you've got a thing for Joe, no matter how cute his butt cleavage really is. 
if a guild did that to me, i'll say "screw them", and let them find another tailor. one reason i stopped doing deliverieswas because people got too demanding. 
as for the flirting, i can usually handle it unless the guy is drooling all over me... then i promptly display my wedding ring, or else i tell them to direct all complements to my boyfriend 
never had anyone get too rowdy on me, whichis good
On the matter of customers hitting on you... well, I haven't had that problem, much. I'm pretty sure people look at Rodian and think 'Sheesh, you should have shot first!' - no, wait, wrong rant, sorry... they think "I don't know what that thing is, I'm not going to try and hit on it - who would play such a strange looking toon?". I think SOE did a pretty good job of making male/female distinctions on the aliens (at least, the ones available to players) - and I can pretty much always tell a female wookie by the facial structure. Having said that, if I wasn't sure, but curious, I could always do /wave and LOOK at what the screen said. So why is it that I get more 'Hey man, can you make me a duster?' questions than I get 'Hey babe, want to go snog?'. To the 'Hey man', I generally make a pointed comment about checking to see if something changed overnight that I didn't notice... to which the reply is nearly always "Oh, I call everyone 'man'". Oh really? When you are buying something at a store, and the cashier hands you your change, you just blithely say "Thanks man" without any consideration at all to the cashier's gender? Why do I find that hard to swallow?
Having said all that, a few people do hit on me, which I politely either ignore or deflect, depending on the person and nature of the comment. I enjoy hugs from folks I know - but when a total stranger walks up to me and gives me a hug (happened over the weekend), the response will be 'Excuse me?'. To which his response was 'Oh, I just hug a lot.'... and then 'What, no love?' - I was amused and a little baffled... just because the thought struck me "You get so few rejections from that behavior that you are surprised that I have no interest in snuggling with a total stranger?" Maybe he was just from a more 'Lovin' planet than Rori. /shrug
Sriva wrote:
As for being able to tell whether someone's male or female by how they dress or how they act, that's stereotyping BS. The only way to tell is to ask the person, and even then they could be lying; the only way you can know for sure is to know them in RL. Why worry about it? Interact with the character, not with the person pulling his/her/shis strings. Ignorance is bliss, and if Vivianna the Huntress turns out to be Joe Zoowicky the plumber, who gives a heck? It's Vivianna you're interested in, and nobody in his right mind would think you've got a thing for Joe, no matter how cute his butt cleavage really is.
Personally, I don't understand hitting on avatars in the first place, unless its just roleplaying. Unfortunately, I get hit on all the time, and I am pretty sure that they are just lonely gameplayers who can't really separate fantasy from reality most of the time. As far as telling whether someone is male or female in real life, of course it is stereotyping. You can never really tell unless you know the actual person in real life. As much as I hate how stereotypes hurt I also think they are interesting. When someone starts flirting with my character, its fun to try to send mixed signals to see how they react. A lot of times it drives the other person nuts when they don't think they can tell if they are dealing with a real life male of female. I never tell them because, well....secrets are fun!
By the way, I do realize I fell for a gender stereotype in my previous post. I *know* I can't tell whether those characters are men or women in real life, but I have known a lot of male and female computer users in real life, and almost all of the women speak/type in coherent, understandable sentences. It mostly seems like teenage boys who use l33t speak, but I am sure there are quite a few exceptions to this who I have never met.
I'm going to have to call foul on that whole "women tend to type coherent sentances and avoid the use of online shorthand" deal. That may have been true at one time, but it's outmoded thinking.
The fact is that among the current generation (I have to specify because it's no longer my generation, I'm now officially a fogey), video gaming is no longer a gender biased hobby. There are as many female gamers as males in the -18 crowd, or at least nearly as many. The only reason gaming still seems to be a male-dominant hobby is because the people in charge of making the games are from the old (my) generation, when being a female gamer was an unspoken taboo and gaming in general was solely the province of geeks and nerds.
I have a younger cousin who's crazy about video games, and she's the worst typist I've ever seen. Last Christmas I watched her playing an FPS with her friends, and they were using the most atrocious "i <3 tihs map its kul!" communication I had ever been unfortunate enough to witness. Likewise, my offline friend and his girlfriend both play on the same account, and I can always tell when it's her because she's never heard of capital letters or punctuation.
There are just as many barely-literate girls out there as there are leet-speakingboys, and that's not even taking into account the people who speak English as a second language (of which, again, there are an equal number of men and women). As has been said in this thread again and again, there's really no way to tell if it's a man or woman behind the screen.
That said, most of us can and will come up with stereotypes like that to try and define, at a glance, who the "cross-players" are. Why? Because we think about this, despite the fact we don't want to, and having a nice stereotype to fall back on allows us to think about it that much less.
A customer had purchased a Fighter Flighsuit in "Rebel Alliance Orange", and wanted to return it because he thought (or someone else did) it made him "look gay."
So I said "OK, sure, whatever," and he said he'd buy something else. So, what was his choice for (presumably very non-gay) clothing?
A pair of black leather pants!
(Specifically, Reinforced Pants with both colors black.)
SueDenim wrote:
Had a funny experience regarding the neverending question of "What clothing makes you look gay?"
A customer had purchased a Fighter Flighsuit in "Rebel Alliance Orange", and wanted to return it because he thought (or someone else did) it made him "look gay."
So I said "OK, sure, whatever," and he said he'd buy something else. So, what was his choice for (presumably very non-gay) clothing?
A pair of black leather pants!
(Specifically, Reinforced Pants with both colors black.)
totally off topic, but...
inever understood reinforced pants. a customer and i called them "MC Hammer pants", and the two color parts never match. it looks ok sometimes, but why do the boys like them so much?
i don't get the "gay" comment on clothing much, except when guys find out that they can't wear the grand healer's robe. anyone disrespecting my clothing and/or me would be banned from my shop.
now back on topic... don't let that guild give you any of that crap, find customers that would appreciate you