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Thread: Tailor colorization: best case scenario/worst case scenario.

ArthurDentOnBria
Wed Jan 21, 2004 12:58 pm
#14

Ok, hold on just a second. This whole thing to me is getting way way outta hand. Just take a step back from this whole mess (yes, it is a mess) for a second.


What most tailors that favor post-creation colorization seem to want now is come INCREDIBLY complicated system. A system that sets up tons and tons of pre and post conditions for when something can be colored, and by whom, and what they need to do to do it, and all kinds of limitations on what one person can do, and not another, and how it affects the piece of clothing afterward, and so forth and so on.


Is such a thing really rational? I mean this would likely take months of effort to implement, there is no consensus at all for how these details would be handled, no matter how it would be done it would cheese off a big percantage of people who are nominally in favor of it, it's bound to be incredibly buggy (something the tailoring community has largely been spared up until now). Is that REALLY what people want? Do you guys and gals really want to open up that can of worms? Is this issue really worth that much effort and pain? Suppose we could trade this feature off against two dozen new schematics. Would anybody still be in favor of it?




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NJ62
Wed Jan 21, 2004 2:54 pm
#15

Colorization in some instances would be cool. Colorization in others would be a huge pain in the behind. In tackling the pros and cons, I've been trying to answer the following question:


If we implement colorization, with all the optimal restrictions, and in the best of circumstances, will that make our lives as tailors better than the status quo? And, if it will make our lives better, is it so much better that it’s worth lobbying for?


I think that, after looking at the issue, and the comments brought up, that the “cons” outweigh the “pros” even in the best case scenario with the most restrictions.



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SueDenim
Wed Jan 21, 2004 3:07 pm
#16

I agree with Donnah. My inner cynic tells me that, if colorization is introduced, they will implement it faithfully and completely, to include all the wishes, dreams, and inclinations...


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mmaughme
Wed Jan 21, 2004 4:10 pm
#17

How about a clothing customization kit, which can only be crafted by Master Tailors, but can be used by anybody.


Here's how it'd work...


If the piece of clothing is in its default colors, then the person using the kit can customize the item's color once and only once.


If the piece of clothing is not in its default colors, then the item's color has already been customized, and cannot be changed any further.


Any direct interaction with the Tailor will take up a fair amount of the Taior's time. Being able to craft items in their default colors would simplify the Tailoring process immensely, leaving colorization in the hands of the customer. Of course this doesn't prevent the Tailor from coloring clothing, rather it means they can put items on their vendors without worrying about whether anybody's going to pass them over because they don't like the color(s) the Tailor chose.




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ChaoKuang
Wed Jan 21, 2004 7:40 pm
#18

Which is no different than the dye idea, because only the best colors could be made by master tailors yet again, and I also said the kit should be used once. So it's basically a rehash of what I said, which they'll all jump on for a no.


They obviously didn't read my posts thoroughly, because I mentioned how I'd always rather work directly with the tailor for my clothing, color and all, instead of buying the clothes and the color kit, but like ever offended yatta-yatta-yatta person because, you know, they're getting ripped off dammit and they're gonna complain about it, they read what they want to read. Happens on every board.


As for the decay issue, I read the boards while it was proposed, thanks. I read posts from people crying to have clothing decay cause, you know, they wanted people to come buy more clothes. Yes, not everyone wanted it, but a lot did, and they got it, and for a while some stopped buying due to the decay. So I have read the boards, thanks.


As it is, it was only an idea, and at least I suggested tailors make it. But at this point, I'd love to see dye kits go to Master Artisans if they were implemented, if people are going to get so huffy over them. Seriously, people. Like I said before, the majority will still prefer dealing with the tailor and getting clothes done personally anyway. Worst case scenario would besomeone having a hard time finding what they want in the color they want or getting hold of a tailor to make it, so the dye kits would be their choice.


Watch this get one-starred again, cause people are pissy like that :-D




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ArthurDentOnBria
Thu Jan 22, 2004 1:07 am
#19






ChaoKuang wrote:

You guys called for decay, you got it, and from what I heard nearly put a good deal of tailors out of business because people stopped buying things.




And from what I heard the earth is flat and dinosaurs still exist somewhere in South America.


Please don't come into a tailor forum and tell us about our business. Last time I checked my bank account it still had more money then I could possibly spend in it, and much of this was made after decay was implemented.


The point is not to invent new ways for tailors to make money. In fact, the financial impact of the colorization issue is probably the least important consideration as far as I'm concerned. What you as a customer should be a lot more concerned about is whether or not you'll be able to purchase the clothing that you want at any price, in the future. If enough tailors get cheesed off, tailoring in a month could become what cheffing is today. A shell of a profession that appears on the skill tree but one that nobody actually plays because it is unplayable.





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Account cancelled 7/8/05 due to game breaking bugs in these professions that have been neglected for FAR too long. Last day July 27 2005
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