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Thread: State defence or Melee/Ranged defence
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verticalis
Mon Aug 16, 2004 3:59 am
#1
I just can't make up my mind with my new template lol what it boils down to is what's more important?.. state defence (def vs blind/kd) or ranged/melee defence?
I have a feeling it's like this: state defence for pvp, melee defence for pve?
dhantrag
Mon Aug 16, 2004 5:40 am
#2
Well i got both of it... caped melee defense and 116 ranged with caped kd and dizzy 115... all other mods are nice too... works good for me... and
i got only master swordsman
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verticalis
Mon Aug 16, 2004 5:50 am
#3
there seems to be some controversy as to whether melee/ranged defences have a cap though.
I want to get master brawler, swordsman, tka 4004, medic 2004 and thenI don't know whether to put the rest of my points into thestances/grips lineof fencer for melee/ranged def, or if I should pile my points into state defences - or even which lines of tka/fencer is best for state defences.
PermaSt0ne
Tue Aug 17, 2004 12:31 pm
#4
verticalis wrote:
I just can't make up my mind with my new template lol what it boils down to is what's more important?.. state defence (def vs blind/kd) or ranged/melee defence?
I have a feeling it's like this: state defence for pvp, melee defence for pve?
yes
VinsicsAlucard
Wed Aug 18, 2004 1:58 am
#5
"I have a feeling it's like this: state defence for pvp, melee defence for pve?"
I agreed with that unless you are willing to build a pure defence stacker as swordsman.
Brawler 4/4/4/0, MasterSwordsman, Fencer4/4/4/0,TK 0/3/0/4, Marksman 0/4/0/0, Pistoleer 0/0/4/0 You can have all that for 249 SP.
Stats:
Combat Equilibrium +40
Counterattack +110
Defense Vs. Blind +100
Defense Vs. Dizzy +105
Defense Vs. Intimidate +40
Defense Vs. Knockdown +145
Defense Vs. Posture Change (Down) +110
Defense Vs. Stun +105
Dodge +100
Meditate +15
Melee Defense +151
One-handed Center Of Being Duration +26
One-handed Melee Center Of Being Efficacy +100
One-handed Melee Toughness +32
One-handed Weapon Accuracy +70
One-handed Weapon Speed +80
Ranged Defense +131
Taunt +10
Two-handed Melee Accuracy +130
Two-handed melee Center of Being +31
Two-handed Melee Center Of Being Efficacy +120
Two-handed Melee Speed +75
Two-handed Melee Toughness +43
Counterattack +110
Defense Vs. Blind +100
Defense Vs. Dizzy +105
Defense Vs. Intimidate +40
Defense Vs. Knockdown +145
Defense Vs. Posture Change (Down) +110
Defense Vs. Stun +105
Dodge +100
Meditate +15
Melee Defense +151
One-handed Center Of Being Duration +26
One-handed Melee Center Of Being Efficacy +100
One-handed Melee Toughness +32
One-handed Weapon Accuracy +70
One-handed Weapon Speed +80
Ranged Defense +131
Taunt +10
Two-handed Melee Accuracy +130
Two-handed melee Center of Being +31
Two-handed Melee Center Of Being Efficacy +120
Two-handed Melee Speed +75
Two-handed Melee Toughness +43
There you go now that will do it right? totally over done but is fun to look at. If you play that please rename your character to Maxi Stacker 
dhantrag
Wed Aug 18, 2004 3:39 am
#6
VinsicsAlucard wrote:
"I have a feeling it's like this: state defence for pvp, melee defence for pve?"
I agreed with that unless you are willing to build a pure defence stacker as swordsman.
Brawler 4/4/4/0, MasterSwordsman, Fencer4/4/4/0,TK 0/3/0/4, Marksman 0/4/0/0, Pistoleer 0/0/4/0 You can have all that for 249 SP.
Caught 
... thats me,,, and i tried it on different NS yesterday and Anxva too... you can tank wonderful... and Anxva swinging a 3kish Powerhammer can hit nasty if you dont have good defs....
... thats me,,, and i tried it on different NS yesterday and Anxva too... you can tank wonderful... and Anxva swinging a 3kish Powerhammer can hit nasty if you dont have good defs....
Naruk_The_Wookiee
Wed Aug 18, 2004 4:18 am
#7
Don´t like that template...first no medic or mediation(tka) skills and second def. vs stats capped at +90 and melee + ranged def. at +125. u waste some skillspoints. and without master-brawler a swordsman is only half good ashe can be with it...
VinsicsAlucard wrote:
I agreed with that unless you are willing to build a pure defence stacker as swordsman.
Brawler 4/4/4/0, MasterSwordsman, Fencer4/4/4/0,TK 0/3/0/4, Marksman 0/4/0/0, Pistoleer 0/0/4/0 You can have all that for 249 SP.
Stats:
Combat Equilibrium +40
Counterattack +110
Defense Vs. Blind +100
Defense Vs. Dizzy +105
Defense Vs. Intimidate +40
Defense Vs. Knockdown +145
Defense Vs. Posture Change (Down) +110
Defense Vs. Stun +105
Dodge +100
Meditate +15
Melee Defense +151
One-handed Center Of Being Duration +26
One-handed Melee Center Of Being Efficacy +100
One-handed Melee Toughness +32
One-handed Weapon Accuracy +70
One-handed Weapon Speed +80
Ranged Defense +131
Taunt +10
Two-handed Melee Accuracy +130
Two-handed melee Center of Being +31
Two-handed Melee Center Of Being Efficacy +120
Two-handed Melee Speed +75
Two-handed Melee Toughness +43
There you go now that will do it right? totally over done but is fun to look at. If you play that please rename your character to Maxi Stacker
dhantrag
Wed Aug 18, 2004 7:12 am
#8
Well took a bad looik at it... i got tka 4-0-0-4... but anyways you sure that statedefs cap at 90 and not at 125 too?
Naruk_The_Wookiee
Thu Aug 19, 2004 12:08 am
#9
dhantrag wrote:
Well took a bad looik at it... i got tka 4-0-0-4... but anyways you sure that statedefs cap at 90 and not at 125 too?
Not 100% sure about it...afaik the devs said that there is allways a 10% chance to land a state...and so the cap must +90%....to be honest...capped stats are not a guarantee for killing opponents in pvp nor high end mobs in pve....afaik u will loose most of the times doing pvp against ppl. who knows what there are doing...cause u have no medic skills to heal yourself and miss the goodies from master brawler...for sure u can solo a single spellweaver or other lesser ns...but havin some of them on u imo the lack of medic-skills will kill u for sure...being buffed is nothing when 5 stalkers are on u and 3 choking your a$$....u never ever think about droping medic-skills...using cob, intimidate2 and the ability to heal with stims are more worth than some higher def. vs. skills or melee/ranged defense...missing ranged migration is no big thingif u know how to catch them up...burst run..warcey2..switch to tka and kd...switch to swords and area3 for dizzy and after dizzy sticked lunge2...being on there a$$ spaming hh3....
dhantrag
Thu Aug 19, 2004 12:57 am
#10
well for the healing i got a doc mosttimes with me... thats why i didnt spend any points... but true with 3 or more choking my ass it hurts... but i can say Anxva didnt KD me once... the others with the areaforcekd a couple of times... and i dont get dizzy often... so i think it works better then with the 90cap... but you made me worry i spend my sp for nothing...
Naruk_The_Wookiee
Thu Aug 19, 2004 2:41 am
#11
dhantrag wrote:
so i think it works better then with the 90cap... but you made me worry i spend my sp for nothing...
Ican only share my experience...Havin medic skills safed many times my life....If u have no medic skills and fighting high end mobs a medic/doc has to focus on u the whole time cause within 3 or 4 hits u could be dead....Since the npcs got there specials back they can deal lots of damage....And afaik there is no way to prevent yourself from gettin hit by high end mobs...No melee defense or high def. vs. stats helps with that....Before i made this template i was master fencer/sword/pistoleer 1043 and nov. medic. Had tons of defense with this template and got as many hits as i get now with my current template...i never dodged an ns while fighting them with gafi-stick....had +130 dodge and eating air cake for extra dodge...so all i can say is: don´t trust in "defense skills"when fighting high end mobs...u can trust only5 things: dealing high amount of damage in short periode of time, CoB, Intimidate(2), WarCry(2)and healing abilities...
just my2cents
Mup-
Thu Aug 19, 2004 8:14 am
#12
yea i know alot live all the time without medic, but it just seems for me, its a lifesaver. maybe its cause im a wookie and untill recently had either no armor or still crap armor.
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