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Thread: why can riflemen hit at range every second with their most powerful special yet ...

angristVong
Wed Jan 21, 2004 9:09 am
#1
the mhs with our limited damage range and LOW accuracy hit with our best specials much much slower.


we have to get elusive tapers or clothing to get the extra points we need yet they have all their speed built in.


whats the deal?


and don't give me that "we do a lot of damage so we can hit very fast" crap - tk's hit really fast for a lot of damage.
Xeonus
Wed Jan 21, 2004 9:19 am
#2
OMG....will you people leave us the hell alone? I though this was about riflemen.



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Artrus
Wed Jan 21, 2004 9:20 am
#3
Swordsman are gimps, go tka.



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BloodMoon187
Wed Jan 21, 2004 11:20 am
#4
with the up coming bleed nerfs might aswell be a chef....



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BloodMoon187
Wed Jan 21, 2004 11:21 am
#5
currently swordsmen arent gimps if you play them with a strong second class alone yes they are gimps , heh but with the upcoming dot nerfs , might aswell play a **edit**in chef =p



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piezo
Wed Jan 21, 2004 12:22 pm
#6
To shoot that fast with a good rifle you need +rifle speed skill tapes to get down to the cap. And those are PRICY.

Anyways, you could do what i did, and master both rifle and heavy swordsman! Its a blast! Pick off people at long range, but when someone gets close, i have a macro that switches to sword, puts on armor, and hits COB.

Best of both worlds!



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Sotaudi
Wed Jan 21, 2004 2:59 pm
#7

First, let me point out that I am both a Master Rifleman and Master Swordsman (and soon to be Master Brawler), and I am both because I choose to be both, not because a holo told me to.So I have a horse in both races, so to speak. That also gives me experience in both professions.


Your facts are just simply not correct. You are comparing a worst case scenario for a Swordsman to a best case scenario fora Rifleman.It is simply not possible for someonewith justmasterRiflemanto fire Strafeshot2 with an advanced T21 at the speed cap. Here is the truth:


T21 with advanced components and damage slice: Speed = 8

Strafeshot2 Time modifier: 3.5

Personal Speed modifier for Master Rifleman: 90


Okay, the formula for calculating actual speed:


Actual Speed = Weapon Speed * Special Time Modifier * ((100 - Personal Speed Mod) * .01)


Actual Speed =8* 3.5 * ((100 - 90) * .01) = 2.45


That means that a Master Rifleman firing his Elite weapon will not fire his best special at the one second speed cap. In fact, it takes two and a half times that long to fire it.


To shoot that special at the speed cap, he would have to use a weapon with a speed of 2.8 - 2.9. With a speed slice and a 33% speed powerup, the best you could hope for with that T21 is a speed of 4.5, soeven ifhe sacrifices damage for speed with a speed slice and speedpowerup, you could not fire that T21 at the speed cap with that special if you have only Master Rifleman speed mods.


To fire that special at the speed cap with that rifle, you would have to have a personal speed mod of just over 96. With Master Rifleman plus Master Marksman, you only get a 95. So you would either need MR + MM + a skill tape of +1 to +2 or you would need MR + skill tapes totaling +6 to +7.


Yes, it is possible to shoot Strafeshot2 at the one second speed cap with only Master Rifleman. But you cannot do it without sacrificing major damage by going to a weapon with a base speed that can be brought down to the 2.9 - 2.9 speed range. Even with a speed sliced Laser and a 33% speed powerup, you cannot get down to that range (unless it is possible Krayt enhanced). You could do it with an E11, but you are sacrificing major damage to do it.


By contrast, the Powerhammer averages an unmodified speed of 5.4. The delay on the Swordsman's highest damage area effect special (AreaAttack3) is 2.5. That means the Swordsman's Elite weapon is 32% faster than the T21 above, and their special is 28% faster. Yet the difference between the personal speed mod of a Master Rifleman and a Master Swordsman is only 15%.


If someone is firing Strafeshot2 at the 1 second speed cap, it is because they have invested the points in Master Marksman and/or acquired the appropriate speed tapes and/or are sacrificing damage for speed.


Please be careful about comparing professions on just a few anecdotal pieces of data. The facts do not bear out your conclusions.



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Ypiana
Wed Jan 21, 2004 7:32 pm
#8




Sotaudi wrote:




Please be careful about comparing professions on just a few anecdotal pieces of data. The facts do not bear out your conclusions.




If you can't dazzle 'em with fact blind 'em with BS.


Fact is MR with T21 consistently shoots advanced strafe every second. Master swords with powerhammer is not only veryslow but -30 at optimal range. So throw up the T21s accuracy at optimum range of 64 meters. Wow, look at that T21 actually has positive modifiers to hit at its max range. I don't care about two-hand speed because I get SEAs but having said that, they're hard to find and super expensive to boot. Seeya.


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piezo
Wed Jan 21, 2004 9:00 pm
#9
I think the fact WAS dazzling. What did he say there that was untrue? You definitely need a speed sliced rifle and some sea's to shoot that fast.



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Ypiana
Wed Jan 21, 2004 9:57 pm
#10

Master Rifle gives +160 accuracy and +90 speed. With Master Marksman you get +165 accuracy and +95 speed.


Master Heavy Swords get +130 accuracy and +80 speed. With Master Brawler you get +135 and +85.


Take a look at the accuracy of this rifle at 60 meters. +123 This is a laser, but T21s can be made with similiar accuracy mods.


http://www.imagedump.com/index.cgi?pick=get&tp=30684


Best accuracy with to anytwo-hand weapon is +25. I'm seeing if some weaponsmiths can help me get a custom-built weapon, since the weaponsmiths say they can get powerhammer to -20.


Debate all you want about what's harder, what should be upped, etc., blah blah, but it's more than obvious that when it comes to reaching the speed cap and being accurate, rifle is far better off than heavy swords. This guy's making it sound like it's super hard to hit speed cap with rifle and easy to hit it with swords. Definitely harder to hit it with swords.


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piezo
Wed Jan 21, 2004 10:32 pm
#11
The t21 is on average 2 seconds slower than a power hammer....



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DarkBShadow
Wed Jan 21, 2004 11:21 pm
#12

man really stop complaining about power hammer speeds they are just fine if you invet the time to get +13 speed mods. i know i did and the 5 days it took me to find them was worth every minute of it. kill atsts all the time with warcry and mind it 3 and of course a tant sunburn. its very nice.


and btw the reson our most damageing weapon has -31 to accuracy mods is because its a thing call balance which most professions lack in this game. yes when we make contact we MAKE contact.


and there is a reason we didnt get enough all thoughs speed mods for the ower hammer its just to powerful if we did. i mean with them i took out a bh with mind hit two faster then he could spam eye shot. i ht him with mind hit he missed with eye shot i hate with head hit he=dead. btw that person had a compo helmet on


yes we are a strong profession but we have balance to us. SO stop complaining about the speed and acuracy mods. cuz if you complain enough about it tehy might do something about it and get us nerfed.


and btw you people use bleeds that much that this nerf will affect us that greatly. i don't use it much at all only when 'm facing somthing i souldn't be able to face




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