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Thread: Swords or pike??
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mox-the-rebel
Fri Jan 28, 2005 10:44 pm
#1
Hey i was wandering what do you guys think take a vote....
I am Master tka and master fencer.
What do you guys choose? pikes or swords? this will be going on the pikes forum also.... i hope i dont get all swords on this forum and all pikes on there forum 
But give me some good reasons of why its better then pikes and maybe worse also....
hawkes37
Sat Jan 29, 2005 2:50 am
#2
I did Pikes first then went swords. I dug Pike cause it has some good area attacks and the animations are pretty sweet. But I do have to say that, as I was lying with a pike in my cold dead hands in the Acklay room, and I watched a Master Swordsman tear it to shreads, my mind was made up. Swords all the way.
It can be hard to speed cap Pikes and that can end up hurting you in the long run if you solo heavies quite a bit. Easier to get capped with swords, the damage is equivilant if not greater on single pool (mind) and you get some better defenses.
My suggestion is to find a Master Pike and a Master Swordsman on your server, hunt some heavies with em, see em in action and then decide.
Both were very fun for me. It was nice to take out SBD's solo with my pikes. But of course I was also a stacker so even with swords they weren't that tough. I have thought about going back to Pike, but stang, Master Swords is a destroyer of all. Hard to compete with that...
Message Edited by hawkes37 on 01-29-2005 01:52 AM
JawaHater666
Sat Jan 29, 2005 5:00 am
#3
both are basically the same... if you dont plan on spending money on attachments, they will suck in pvp... both are great in pve, i perfer swords for the superior blast damage targeting the mind pool
Naruk_The_Wookiee
Sat Jan 29, 2005 6:10 am
#4
mox-the-rebel wrote:
But give me some good reasons of why its better then pikes and maybe worse also....
IMO the biggest lack of pike are the weapons! best weapons are loot and if u want some "high damage lance" u have to kill a serious amount of mobs or spending some creds...its nice for pvp to control a group with the area attacks...u can dizzy/kd/stun some peps at once...
and of cuz not to forget the dots...swords on the other side is nice cuz havin those awesome mindattacks and blast as second damage-type...standard ph´s with good damage-slice reach +600 dmg and so u can easy get a "good" pve weapon...personaly i did all melee profs up to master...
and of cuz not to forget the dots...swords on the other side is nice cuz havin those awesome mindattacks and blast as second damage-type...standard ph´s with good damage-slice reach +600 dmg and so u can easy get a "good" pve weapon...personaly i did all melee profs up to master...1. Master Brawler/Swords/Doc 4030 or if u want to buff go for Master Swords/Doc
2. Master Brawler/Swords/[insert other melee class]/Medic 2040/Combat Prowess 0044
3. Master Swords/Defense Stacker - f.e. i did Swords/Fencer/Pistoleer 1040/Medic 0030
Nr. 1 was great for soloing high end mobs like ns-elders or krayts...high heals, cure states/bleeds and with a +700ish acklay ph u can crush thru most things in a short period of time(being spd.-capped). For PvP its not too bad cuz u can cure all those nasty dots as well as states...
Nr. 2 is nice if u want grinding fs not the "commando-way"...U can cap xps on 2 masters in 1 buffrun...For spd.-capping swords or pike u will only need a "cheap" +4 spd.-tape...on the other side u are still able to hunt down high end mobs to obtain crystals/pearls witch helps a lot while grinding maybe jedi later on...I personlay liked swords/pike most...with some dizzy-tapes your state-defense are quit ok(imo only stun/dizzyare important). And u have a wide range of damage-types(kinetic,blast,energy and electricity).tka is nice for killing low or mid range mobs but helps nearly nothing at high end mobs(ap1 vk only kinetic) and has some low state defense...i only found mediation usefull...fencer has some nice defense but the weapons are mostly crap(ap0)...maybe the stunbat is ok for killing some n00bs in pvp witch have no stun-armor/psg equiped or hunting down jedi...
Nr. 3 was the best tank i ever build...i dodged like a mad cow after running cob and eating +40 dodge food(fencer weapon equiped)...most of the times i saw a miss or dodge...
havin melee migration +3 as well as ranged at +2 helps a lot too...since the state defense capped on all but posture change u will barley see any states on u...elders are a different story...they will put states on u no matter what state-defense...they like to do the triple state-thingy...
since u have no first aid elder bleeds can hurt u very much...had some ticking for +1100 on me! 
so it would be good to back up with a doc and maybe cm too...
havin melee migration +3 as well as ranged at +2 helps a lot too...since the state defense capped on all but posture change u will barley see any states on u...elders are a different story...they will put states on u no matter what state-defense...they like to do the triple state-thingy... since u have no first aid elder bleeds can hurt u very much...had some ticking for +1100 on me! so it would be good to back up with a doc and maybe cm too...Message Edited by Naruk_The_Wookiee on 01-29-2005 05:12 AM
Nom-AU
Sat Jan 29, 2005 10:22 am
#5
Basically, it depends on your playing style.
Unless you get looted weapons, pike isn't much good for high level PvE (nightsister elders/krayts). Most people who hunt high level stuff usually go swords, and if you have a rifleman, the skills compliment eachother.
If you're a DoT junkie, then Pike is the only way to fly. Every second pike dropped in the game has a DoT of some kind.
If you don't PvP at all, then i would go with swords for the sole reason power hammers are everywhere, and you can get them pre/post slice with or without acklay enhancements and when you're speed capped it's just so powerful.
Unless you get looted weapons, pike isn't much good for high level PvE (nightsister elders/krayts). Most people who hunt high level stuff usually go swords, and if you have a rifleman, the skills compliment eachother.
If you're a DoT junkie, then Pike is the only way to fly. Every second pike dropped in the game has a DoT of some kind.
If you don't PvP at all, then i would go with swords for the sole reason power hammers are everywhere, and you can get them pre/post slice with or without acklay enhancements and when you're speed capped it's just so powerful.
mox-the-rebel
Sun Jan 30, 2005 1:25 am
#6
I pvp alot and im pretty good at it. Medic helps alot but i think if i got one more of theys brawler prof to boost up more defence and be able to attack 1 of each stats incase they are a cm or doc... At the momunt pikes is looking pretty good.. with the dots and area stuff i get ganked alot so pikes is looking pretty good right now hehe... But then lots of people have bad mind and with swords i could take um out fast.. 
Nom-AU
Sun Jan 30, 2005 2:41 am
#7
ok, with pike vs sword, it's a case of who can kill more enemies.
With pikeman, given the same time as a swordsman assault, you can use area attacks to put a mind fire, mind poison and mind disease, or you could take out one person with head hits in swordsman. Best part about pikes is, even when you're a corpse, people are still getting hurt
With pikeman, given the same time as a swordsman assault, you can use area attacks to put a mind fire, mind poison and mind disease, or you could take out one person with head hits in swordsman. Best part about pikes is, even when you're a corpse, people are still getting hurt
Jasef
Mon Jan 31, 2005 5:01 am
#8
Why not both? Do Matser Pike/Master Swords/Fencer x44x Medic 114x... Pikes for DOT's, and Swords for baddies like Elders and such...
You could even use both (What id id) Drop five mind poisons on something then swith to swrods and let loose...takes solo time of a giant canyon from 45min to 20...
And don't let anyon tell you Pike sis outclassed in damage, find yourself a 1k max LVA and you will outdamage that Rifleman and his whole guild
I love em both!
Here's the stats on that temp btw:
Block +115
Counterattack +100
Defense vs Blind +70
Defense vs Dizzy +100
Defense vs Intimidate +40
Defense vs Knockdown +95
Defense vs Posture Change +90
Defense vs Stun +100
Dodge +90
Injury Treatment +20
Injury Treatment Speed +20
Medical Foraging +75
Medicine Assembly +10
Medicine Experimentation +10
Medicine Use +40
Melee Defense +65
Melee Mitigation +8
One-handed Melee Toughness +24
One-handed Weapon Accuracy +70
One-handed Weapon Center of being duration +26
One-handed weapon Center of being efficacy +100
One-handed Weapon Speed +80
Polearm Accuracy +150
Polearm Center of being duration +30
Polearm Center of being efficacy +115
Polearm Speed +75
Polearm Toughness +26
Ranged Defense +55
Taunt +10
Two-handed Melee Accuracy +130
Two-handed Melee Center of being +31
Two-handed melee Center of being efficacy +120
Two-handed Melee Speed +75
Two-handed Melee Toughness +43
Unarmed Accuracy +10
Unarmed Center of being duration +5
Unarmed Center of being efficacy +10
Unarmed Damage +10
Unarmed Speed +5
Wound Treatment +5
You could even use both (What id id) Drop five mind poisons on something then swith to swrods and let loose...takes solo time of a giant canyon from 45min to 20...
And don't let anyon tell you Pike sis outclassed in damage, find yourself a 1k max LVA and you will outdamage that Rifleman and his whole guild
I love em both!
Here's the stats on that temp btw:
Block +115
Counterattack +100
Defense vs Blind +70
Defense vs Dizzy +100
Defense vs Intimidate +40
Defense vs Knockdown +95
Defense vs Posture Change +90
Defense vs Stun +100
Dodge +90
Injury Treatment +20
Injury Treatment Speed +20
Medical Foraging +75
Medicine Assembly +10
Medicine Experimentation +10
Medicine Use +40
Melee Defense +65
Melee Mitigation +8
One-handed Melee Toughness +24
One-handed Weapon Accuracy +70
One-handed Weapon Center of being duration +26
One-handed weapon Center of being efficacy +100
One-handed Weapon Speed +80
Polearm Accuracy +150
Polearm Center of being duration +30
Polearm Center of being efficacy +115
Polearm Speed +75
Polearm Toughness +26
Ranged Defense +55
Taunt +10
Two-handed Melee Accuracy +130
Two-handed Melee Center of being +31
Two-handed melee Center of being efficacy +120
Two-handed Melee Speed +75
Two-handed Melee Toughness +43
Unarmed Accuracy +10
Unarmed Center of being duration +5
Unarmed Center of being efficacy +10
Unarmed Damage +10
Unarmed Speed +5
Wound Treatment +5
Rince_uk
Mon Jan 31, 2005 5:54 am
#9
Personally, I couldn't decide which one to go for either - so I went for both. Swords gives me the massive blast damage from my Acklay Power Hammer, but I still use my LVA for a large number of mobs if I want to dizzy then knock them all down. Works wonders
I also have Pistoleer xx4x and TK 2xxx (for Powerboost) - all in all, I really love this template - almost Master Swords... really looking forward to completing the template
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