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Thread: First Elder Solo (Defense Questions)
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Sesshomaru78
Wed Feb 02, 2005 9:25 am
#1
I was sick of needing to bring someone with me to heal when I was trying to kill NS Elders. I changed my template around a bit. I lost alot of Ranged/Melee defense to gain novice medic. My template now stands at:
Master Brawler
Master Swordsman
Fencer 0440
Marksman 0400
Pistoleer 0040
Novice Medic
Combat Prowess 0044
This gives me these defenses:
Defense vs Blind +90
Defense vs Dizzy +100
Defense vs Intimidate +40
Defense vs Knockdown +125
Defense vs Posture Change +80
Defense vs Stun +90
The only think that hurts is:
Melee Defense +42
Ranged Defense +37
I also have some mods in clothes/armor*:
Defence vs Knockdown +13 (+138 Total)
Defence vs Intimidate +13 (+53 Total)
Ranged Defence +10 (+47 Total)
Defence vs Stun +18 (+108 Total)
I have 4 points left. I thought I would place them Enhanced Reflexes 4000 to give me another +20 ranged defence bringing me to a total of +67.
In any case. I started to beat on a NS Elder and I was doing just fine. Just more than half way thru its mind pool a fellow Swordsman comes along and helps me take out the mind faster. I looted 8 NS Armor Shards 5% Base -8 Action, just a little disapointing, but standing toe to toe with a NS Elder is very exciting and I can't wait to try it again.
Any comments on how important Ranged & Melee defence mods are? I couldn't solo the Elder without medic and the first row in Fencer looked like my best choice to drop.
*I have other mods on my clothes, but I just listed the ones that stack with the natural defences in the skill boxes.
Thanx,
Naois
StellarSwordsman
Wed Feb 02, 2005 9:40 am
#2
Nice template bud.
However, one thing that stands out is your inability to heal bleeds. If youre going to be soloing elders regularly, then you really need the FirstAid skill from medic. I know that you will have to drop some of your state defenses from pistoleer or fencer, but its absolutely necessary if you want to be able to repeatedly kill them.
Just my 2 cents.
RebalMarineHunter
Wed Feb 02, 2005 10:34 am
#3
Drop pistols and marksman, that will free up huge amounts of points. Go Medic 3040, this will let you use much larger stims and give you first aid so that you can get those nasty elder bleeds off while you fight.
Get TK 4000 minimum on the TK trees, meditation will alow you to heal wounds and eliminate dots, keeping you fighting longer.
Get your +20 ranged and +20 melee defenses from your FS skills
Melee accuracy and speed from FS skills
You should still have points left over after that from giving up your marksman/pistol skills. Put that into more TK or Fencer.
Problem with getting the pistol defenses is that they cost you huge points, mostly do to the novice marksman box which costs 15 points, then all the other marksman skills which are worthless for defense purposes. So, rather, put all those points into brawler type skills and you will be ahead over all, even if you lose a couple of defenses, you will pick up others to make up for it and brauden your skills much further.
Once you get that much medic though, and some stim C's or E's (if you can find the right level E's) you will be able to heal for around 1300 pts and cure your bleeds while you fight. May not give you larger defenses, but that will more than make up for it.
Novice medic in PVP is poor at best, I can damage you faster than you can heal with a good stim B more than likely.
Anyhow, mix it however it is fun for you, this is just my thoughts.
Sesshomaru78
Wed Feb 02, 2005 11:59 am
#4
Thank you for that recomendation. I don't PvP much at all, so I don't need to worry about that. I do wish I could drop some pistoleer, but my other defences will be really bad if I do. I hate being knocked down, dizzy and all those states. To heal those I would need Novice Doctor and thats alot of points that would be dedicated to healing those stats. I don't think I have ever been dizzy since I completed this template to this point. If I drop pistoleer I will loose all my defences to those stats, only to pick up the ability to heal those stats that I never had on me before I dropped pistoleer. My main concern is the bleed healing, but I don't see a good way to go with this. Can I just borrow 1 skill point?
Adefo-Oami
Thu Feb 03, 2005 1:22 am
#6
imo, the best pve template is 4440 doc, master swordsman, fencer 0200, combat prowess 0022 (or 0004 or 0040). Speedcapped swordsman and an elder has never killed me except with a stun baton. Can tank a whole mob of sisters with 88% base composite and doc/entertainer buffs and brandy. State defenses aren't a big problem due to being able to heal states as a novice doc (and being able to buff, which is a luxery). Melee and ranged defense doesn't mean a damn thing in high end PvE, since they will always hit you no matter what melee defense you have.
Naois78
Thu Feb 03, 2005 2:28 pm
#7
Hello. I'm Sesshomaru78, just posting from my second account. I went up against a NS Elder who was using aStun Baton last night. I beat it down good with the template that I have now (having to change my Shield Generator 3 times and wearing 39% Stun Armor) I think I am going to put my last 4 points intoFSRanged Defensebecause I have melee mitigation 3 and I don't think the ranged mitigation works unless I equip a pistol. Since I wont be equiping a pistol any time soon I think that increasing my ranged defense will be the best way to go. Oh, I alsotook ona NS Elder who was just using a Sword. It hardly effected me at all. I wrote a handy macro that runs for about 20 seconds before repeating itself it contains all the attacks that I chose to use plus thislittle bit and found it works really good:
/warcry2;
//intimidate2;
/healDamage;
/pause 5;
When the warcry2 lands it give me a 20 second window where I can do what I want to do, since the intimidate2 doesn't break the warcry2 its a good time to slap that on her. ThenI can heal myself while the elder has warcry2 applied so she can't hit me for the short delay after I heal. Then then the warcry2 is broke when mymacro starts the attack again. Works out really well for me.
Billsif
Thu Feb 03, 2005 3:09 pm
#8
Since your probly not going to be using fencer to fight elders i would go fencer 4040 instead of fencer 0440. This will give you some much needed ranged and melee defense.
Adefo-Oami
Thu Feb 03, 2005 4:18 pm
#9
Billsif wrote:
Since your probly not going to be using fencer to fight elders i would go fencer 4040 instead of fencer 0440. This will give you some much needed ranged and melee defense.
fencer x4xx gives lots of def vs KD. 50 I think.
TenlossDisruptor
Thu Feb 03, 2005 5:13 pm
#10
Melee Defence doesn't do much against NS Elders, like nothing at all.. they have such high accuracy they hit you whether you have 125 melee defence or 1 melee defence
Same with Counterattack, even if you are capped on Counter and using CoB, you still get hit by a NS Elder EVERY single time she tries to hit you... So the defences that do help are state defs - Dizzy/KD/Blind/Stun. Also, Defense Vs Bleed Bio Engineered clothing will help, a lot - the Triple pool bleed she sticks you with are nasty as they come. First Aid from Medic is a must, the faster you can use it the better, and altho i only use stim B's, I'd recommend higher, D's or E's if you can afford 
Sorry if this has already been said, I couldn't see it in the above posts but I'm tired
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