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Thread: Spiderclan Elder not worth it
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XanderG
Fri Jul 23, 2004 5:32 pm
#1
Having mastered swordsman a couple of weeks ago (long time TKM) I stumbled across my first Nightsister Elder tonight. Having read the forums I was fully prepared, and although she almost got me I won through in the end. No loot 
oh well it was a good fight and I enjoyed myself.
Then not ten minutes later I find a Spiderclan Elder. In for a penny, in for a pound I thought. 340k ham, 85% blast resist, 80% kinetic resist. Oh dear. Time to call my swordsman hunting buddy (hey olco :-) for some back up. Some 2 and a half hours later, down she/he (couldn't tell) goes. Great I thought, that hard a NPC here comes some good loot. Nothing, nada, zero. :-(
What's the point of putting super hard NPC's out there and not give them any decent loot. Where's the incentive to fight them? Why bother, spend the time fighting NS Protectors, Sentinels and Spellweavers and you get a much better loot return. Good job SOE :-(
oh well it was a good fight and I enjoyed myself.Then not ten minutes later I find a Spiderclan Elder. In for a penny, in for a pound I thought. 340k ham, 85% blast resist, 80% kinetic resist. Oh dear
. Time to call my swordsman hunting buddy (hey olco :-) for some back up. Some 2 and a half hours later, down she/he (couldn't tell) goes. Great I thought, that hard a NPC here comes some good loot. Nothing, nada, zero. :-(What's the point of putting super hard NPC's out there and not give them any decent loot. Where's the incentive to fight them? Why bother, spend the time fighting NS Protectors, Sentinels and Spellweavers and you get a much better loot return. Good job SOE :-(
_HurricanrA_
Fri Jul 23, 2004 6:59 pm
#2
posts like these are stupid as hell, you can't expect loot off of everything, but nightsisters seem to be the only clan worth killing right now..
MinimeAbala
Fri Jul 23, 2004 7:01 pm
#3
they do drop stuff. good stuff i believe. its just like with any rare and hard npc. a drop isnt guarantee'd no matter how rare the npc. just look at the nightsister queen. one of the rarest and hardest npc's in the game, and is extremely hard to loot. hence why u dont see very many night sister energy lances.
Iatieojeo
Fri Jul 23, 2004 7:29 pm
#4
Wait until you spend 2 hours soloing her, and get Ladies Shoes... not even (Exceptional) ones... /sigh.
FearlessBob
Fri Jul 23, 2004 7:55 pm
#5
Iatieojeo wrote:
Wait until you spend 2 hours soloing her, and get Ladies Shoes... not even (Exceptional) ones... /sigh.
I feel your pain, regarding the loot, but a couple of salient points-
1. It took you 2 hours? I can kill one in 15-20 minutes, solo. I'm not speed capped and my hammer is nothing special...5.2/636 Everytime I am near the Spiderclan cave, I make it a point to pop and see if she's home.
2. I can't tell you how many elders I have killed and gotten NO loot. Not even shoes. It's a numbers game. Granted, it would be nice if mobs such as the Spider Clan Elder, SMC Coucilwoman, NS Elder were garaunteed to drop at least a set of std shards or layers, but expecting uber loot off of them all the time is just silly.
3. Kill enough of them, and you will get nice loot. I can ASSURE you that the Spiderclan Elder, does indeed drop very nice stuff on occasion. Much nicer than the run of the mill loots from protectors and spellweavers.
Iatieojeo
Fri Jul 23, 2004 8:07 pm
#6
Well, apparently I don't know what I'm doing because she has 80% to Blast, and 85% to kinetic... um... 15 - 20 minutes sounds like a stretch to me, when you're talking doing300damage (or less) and missing periodically to something that has 384K HAM. How exacty are you doing it?
Jambomango
Fri Jul 23, 2004 9:21 pm
#7
15-20 mins for a spiderclan elder?? **edit** dude, for a normal ns elder, yes, she has 15% resit to blast. but the sc elder, with 80%... that'll take ALOT longer solo.
Nealoc187
Sat Jul 24, 2004 8:57 am
#9
expecting an uber loot off of every single mob every time you kill one is just retarded, and as such this thread is retarded.
that said, the spiderclan elder does drop good loot on occasion, just like axkva, and just like regular elders. i know a guy who got a 2600 damage 1.1 speed exceptional powerhammer off of one a few months ago. meanwhile i've killed the spiderclan elder about 5 times and gotten nothing. as a non capped swordsman, using a 3.4 spd 145-483dmg hammer, she takes me about 40 minutes to solo. my friend who is a capped master with a high damage acklay can do her in about 15-20.
Redondo
Sat Jul 24, 2004 10:23 am
#10
I think the problem is that as swordsmen and women we solo a lot of high end MOBs and after putting in 10, 20, or 45 minutes we feel like we really have earned good loot. I agree with that, but if high end MOBs always dropped good loot, you would have packs of 15 people camping these spawns and taking them down in 5 minutes raking in the loot. I wish the DWB dropped more loot, since in three trips there many of the high end MOBS take awhile even for a group of 20, in my experience. I dont even mess with elders anymore unless I am in a group; and I wont fight anything over 150k HAM unless I am in a group or I have never killed it before. It is just not fun for me to spend that much time, food, armor, and weapon decay to risk getting nothing in return when you have already fought them before.
The DWB is one place that IMO you cant beat the system, meaning if there was more loot in there, maybe even deep inside, you still are going to need a skilled group to get it. The rest of the MOBs in this game just become too overhunted, like NS are becoming now. I remember back before most people got buffs that NS were something you avoided.
Nagabacca
Sat Jul 24, 2004 12:16 pm
#11
FearlessBob wrote:
1. It took you 2 hours? I can kill one in 15-20 minutes, solo. I'm not speed capped and my hammer is nothing special...5.2/636 Everytime I am near the Spiderclan cave, I make it a point to pop and see if she's home.
I also think you are lying, or confused, or something else 
I killed one this week with a similar hammer (and a nice scythe), and i AM speed capped. It took me 30-40 minutes.
I'm talking about the 80%/85% heavy armor mob.
I'm not sure if it was my perception, or fact, but my 400+ dmg scythe seemed to be doing similar dps as my hammer (atleast until the resists dropped); the maths would back this up.
The floaties i observed during my fight would guestimate to aDPS of about 200.
30 minutes = 1800 seconds
1800 * 200= 360k (ham - which is in the right ballpark).
Another comparison would be my normal NS Elder time. I clocked one kill yesterday at 8 minutes using the same hammer.
Versus an 85% SC Elder, i do 15% damage.
Versus a 15% NS Elder, i do 85% damage.
Ie, i do 5.667 times more damage against a NS Elder compared to a SC Elder (not 100% sure on this, seems a little high?)
If everything was nice and easy maths, that would suggest i would kill a SC Elder 5.667 times slower than a NS Elder.
5.667 * 8 mins = 45 mins for a SC Elder (again, is in the same ballpark).
Regardless, that would make you 15-20 minutes claim a little unbelievable; you are saying that you can kill a mob twice as fast as a speed capped swordsman, with similar weaponry?
/shrug
Naga
Starfury-Gorath
Sat Jul 24, 2004 1:32 pm
#12
Just got Polearm Speed +24...... on a crappy 40 strength health dot lance
Still, before I have had a LVA with spd:2.0 292-1170 so no hard feelings.
RAWK_STAR
Sat Jul 24, 2004 4:33 pm
#13
Yeah I dont solo elders much anymore unless I'm in the mood cause the normal nightsisters have a very good chance to drop a great exceptional weapon.Also just the elders are a higher level mob and would have probably a higher chance of dropping such loot. But in the time it takes to solo an elder I can kill a ton of protectors,spellweavers,rangers,sentenals all the nightsisters who I have heard people have looted the best weapons in the game from. But I do suggest taking a jedi or another swordsman who you know and can trust to split the loot evenly with out with you to huntelders. Cause even if you dont loot a godly exceptional weapon I'm sure you will walk away with several premium crystals which could sell for 1-2 million a piece and the elders seem to drop in 1/3 of the time it takes to solo them.
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