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Thread: CU affect on Weapons?
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trinn
Sat Apr 09, 2005 7:42 pm
#1
I currently have a bid on a very nice PH with a MAX DMG of 1015. Is the CU going to nerf this? Is it not worth buying? Thanks!
MinimeAbala
Sun Apr 10, 2005 1:01 pm
#2
well, it wont be nearly that strong after the cu thats for sure. but it will still be "uber" after teh cu, becuase all weapons will be lowered by a scale, so this will still be superior to most hammers in the game, just on the after cu scale not current scale.
trinn
Sun Apr 10, 2005 1:58 pm
#3
Thanks... Then I wonder though, will it be worth 30+million to buy or will all weapons scale down in price based on the CU. I'm guessing only time will tell.
MinimeAbala
Sun Apr 10, 2005 5:13 pm
#4
all weapons, including the new ones, will be balanced and scaled down. however, if you have a 1k damage hammer now, and a 600 max hammer, the 1k hammer will be both better and worth more of course. now after the cu, that 600 hammer may have a max of 300 (guessing) and that 1k a max of 500 or 600 (again guessing) so you see, even though all weapons will be scaled, all the uber weapons will still be uber. not quite as amazing as they are now, but still will be superior to the lower weapons. now whether its worth it to you to spend 30mil+ is up to you. if you plan on being a swordsman long after the cu, i say go for it (although you realize that blast damage is being removed from game and ph's will do kinetic damage) becuase 30 mil is alot to invest in a weapon, so make sure its a class you want for a while.
edit: also, i cant comment on whether itll be worth 30 mil after the cu, becuase im not sure how much their lowering the resists of creatures (all i know is that creatures with 100% to some things wil no longer have 100%, all damage types can hurt all mobs. some more so then others however. i guess well have to wait and see if the ph is still a dominant weapon after the cu, what with all the new swords and all.
Message Edited by MinimeAbala on 04-10-2005 05:20 PM
Milgram
Mon Apr 11, 2005 3:29 am
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A guy on test center said that the minimum krayt tissues that drop are 70's. Theory: What if all weapon damages are being scaled up? What if current weapons do not get shifted up at all, but retain their stats. This would accomplish a couple things. The devs would keep their promice: If you had one of the best weapons on the server, after the CU, you will still have one of the best weapons on the server. However, no just about anyone can get to the power of your uber weapon with a good damage slice. Uber weapons will get nerfed without getting changed at all. It would be like a guy with $10,000. Back in 1850, he was the shiz. Now, Pshhh, that is considered poverty.
Don't know for sure, but it is just a thought...
AlexPKeaton
Mon Apr 11, 2005 6:54 am
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Milgram wrote:
A guy on test center said that the minimum krayt tissues that drop are 70's. Theory: What if all weapon damages are being scaled up? What if current weapons do not get shifted up at all, but retain their stats. This would accomplish a couple things. The devs would keep their promice: If you had one of the best weapons on the server, after the CU, you will still have one of the best weapons on the server. However, no just about anyone can get to the power of your uber weapon with a good damage slice. Uber weapons will get nerfed without getting changed at all. It would be like a guy with $10,000. Back in 1850, he was the shiz. Now, Pshhh, that is considered poverty.
Don't know for sure, but it is just a thought...
You gotta remember though that Armor Piercing is no longer on weapons in the CU. This means that there are no extra bonuses to any specific weapon so the numbers are going to look a bit strange. For instance if I have a 1k Max Hammer now, that's actually around 1500 Max because of the Medium armor piercing. Since all damages are going to be exactly what you see after the CU then when they convert they need to first take into account the actual damage of the weapon including AP, and then scale these items accordingly. My guess is that tissues are around 70 Base because they will no longer be going into Light, Medium, or Heavy AP weapons, and getting the additional damage boost though the AP of the Weapon, therefore making them about the same as they were before the CU.
Message Edited by AlexPKeaton on 04-11-2005 09:56 AM
Milgram
Mon Apr 11, 2005 3:20 pm
#7
so basically there are two nerfs. a ph no longer has med pen, so it will do less damage, and new weapons are going to do more damage.
MinimeAbala
Mon Apr 11, 2005 3:57 pm
#8
aye, i would agree with the fact that new weapons will do more damage, however, they said they were removing mitigation and secondary defenses like dodge and block, as well as lowering armor (i heard the hard cap was 50% on armor ) so it would seem silly to keep the current legendary and uber weapons at their damages , while adding new strong ones, while keeping out all mitigation and armor. if you think you die easily from a 2k t21 now then imagine what it would be like after the cu if they didnt change weapons down lol
Milgram
Mon Apr 11, 2005 5:51 pm
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Blue frogs are giving out 400-850 2.5 speed power hammers on TC5. I don't know how good your hammer is, but I know that is better than mine. Ya, my 380-868 hammer will stay one of the better ones, but as soon as weaponsmiths get their stuff together, mine will be average. See how they are keeping their promice and bringing balance at the same time? Before the upgrade, 1200 power hammers were unheard of. Now they will be the measure by which a good hammer is judged. Kinda like a 800 max hammer is now.
AlexPKeaton
Mon Apr 11, 2005 6:04 pm
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Milgram wrote:
Blue frogs are giving out 400-850 2.5 speed power hammers on TC5. I don't know how good your hammer is, but I know that is better than mine. Ya, my 380-868 hammer will stay one of the better ones, but as soon as weaponsmiths get their stuff together, mine will be average. See how they are keeping their promice and bringing balance at the same time? Before the upgrade, 1200 power hammers were unheard of. Now they will be the measure by which a good hammer is judged. Kinda like a 800 max hammer is now.
From what I understand the way it will work is basicly two fold. Like I posted above, first weapons will be brought in line with their actuall stats. Meaning that your 868Max with Medium armor piercing will be around 1200Max. Also all weapons will be balanced in the new system in regards to each other so that the most powerful weaponsavailable now are still the most powerful weapons available after the CU. So for example if you have lets say a Laser Rifle with 450 Max, and a T21 with450 Max, they will not be the same weapon in the conversion. The T21 will have a higher Max DMG after the conversion due to the Heavy AP.
Other weapons you can expect to see a much larger difference though such as 2h Swords, These will be much lower than some of the Rancor made ones out there now because lower level weapons will never get to such high values in the CU. These are the things I've been able to gather from the little about conversion that they've posted this far and from testing. Hopefully there will be some kind of conversion guide coming soon because people are really starting to get nervous about what will become of their stuff.
Vshbaa
Mon Apr 11, 2005 6:59 pm
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Until its put on a Live server to test conversion, its all speculation, but I'd assume that if you have a weapon with similar stats to the CU weapon (Loot PH with 400-800 compared to a CU crafted with 400-800) your old weapon would be better than a crafted. So you could end up with a 1k max hammer, even though pre-CU it was only 800. If it was good before the CU it should be good after the CU, not average.
trinn
Mon Apr 11, 2005 7:28 pm
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Thanks for the information everyone. It still seems like a "wait and see." None the less, the hammer still should be great after the CU.
Milgram
Mon Apr 11, 2005 11:03 pm
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I hope you are right and there is some sort of conversion.However,with armor, meds and food all being slam dunk nerfed, i don't see how weapons will somehow emerge better than before. If weapons do survive, that would make them the only thing in the history of the game to not be nerfed. I just can't see how the devs would let their nerf-heavy reputation be tarnished by something as small and insignificant as the player base's continued enjoyment of the game. Just callin em as I see em.
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