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Thread: question about elder hunting
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Maltrix
Sat Jul 24, 2004 1:38 pm
#1
this is a template question hehe
I am master swordsmans(obviously) and rifleman
I been dabling in TKA 2004 atm and i had medic 1100 and my question iscan you do a elder with out any medic?
I was thinking about killing medic and going into master brawler for speed and all those nice updates. I know when i solo a elder there a time when i have to heal up a bit but maybe with Brawler intimidate 2 will be alot better then intimidate 1 and all the bonouses i will get with 2hand swordsman
icaruz
Sat Jul 24, 2004 2:51 pm
#2
Sure, get decent armor ( 80% + kin resist ) and a decent hammer and maybe a few speed tapes/plates, use intimidate and headhit, remeber to use center ( center loop recommended ) and have a cup of coffee while hitting it..
Bannon9k
Sat Jul 24, 2004 3:11 pm
#3
With just swordsman/doc I can solo and NS elder without healing. Not all the time granted, cause sometimes the intimidate wont stick and she smacks you around a bit. I recomend having some healing. You could rop the 2xxxTK, not much use in that, but I'd actually recommend getting 4000TK instead of the 0004 TK...that will give you the meditate line, and you really dont need the melee/ranged defense since you wont be pvping much with swordsman =P.
Anyway, back to topic. You can solo a NS elder, but its going to take quite a bit of time =P.
RAWK_STAR
Sat Jul 24, 2004 4:17 pm
#4
Either the template you already have or the one you suggested getting are very good and capable of soloing an elder. I personally when I mastered smuggler teras kasi and pistoleer missed medic too much to even give it up again. But on the other hand intimidate 2 is very good it lasts i would say between 30 secs and 1 min and cuts the damage delt to you by half. I think intimidate 1 is the same but with a shorter duration and less of a chnce to stick. But all you have to do is spam the hell out of it untill it does.
Your template now is fine and I would keep the TKA 4-0-0-4 for the defenses cause I do just fine in pvp with swordsman and the defenses help out alot for me. Just remember use CoB cause that doubles your defense and keep her intimidated at all times when possible. Wear 80% armor make a macro for both mind bleeds and spam away with head hit for 15 mins with your best powerhammer and you should do fine.
Oh I almost forgot when she starts to walk or run away use taunt on her that will stop her in her tracks and prevent her from wandering into another mob or teleporting away from you
Message Edited by RAWK_STAR on 07-24-2004 04:19 PM
Bannon9k
Sat Jul 24, 2004 10:05 pm
#5
oooh /taunt stops them from running? I gotta remember that. Cause when they did that gay crap of having the mobs warp when they run into a tree I've lost 2 elders from them warping oh about 90m STRAIGHT UP and then vanishing.
Joinky316
Mon Jul 26, 2004 12:26 pm
#6
Maltrix wrote:
this is a template question hehe
I am master swordsmans(obviously) and rifleman
I been dabling in TKA 2004 atm and i had medic 1100 and my question iscan you do a elder with out any medic?
I was thinking about killing medic and going into master brawler for speed and all those nice updates. I know when i solo a elder there a time when i have to heal up a bit but maybe with Brawler intimidate 2 will be alot better then intimidate 1 and all the bonouses i will get with 2hand swordsman
First of all, as others have mentioned, you can't really half-ass the Meditation line of TKA. Either max it or drop it (I'd recommend maxing it for wound healing, power boost, and state heals).
I have hunted/solo'd quite a few Elders since mastering Brawler, and I can tell you that with decent buffs (2200+) and 80% Composite, I have only had to heal myself once - when I accidentally removed my chest plate during a fight. The only damage you should have to worry about is Mind damage. So, to answer your question: yes, you should be able to solo an Elder without any Medic skills. As long as you have the buffs, the armor, and keep 'em intimidated you really should have no problem.
On a side note, I think that Center of Being is currently overrated. I have kept a close eye on the combat log while fighting Elders, and did not notice any significant difference whatsoever between being Centered and not. 99% of the time, the Elder hits me - with or without CoB being active. I do believe that CoB does have its uses (against the weaker Nightsisters, for instance, and against weaker MOBs in general), but I think it's a waste of Mind when hunting Elders. I encourage anyone who doesn't believe me to run some tests yourself. Fight Elders with and without CoB active. Keep a close eye on the combat log. I'm confident that you won't notice any significant difference.
TenlossDisruptor
Wed Aug 04, 2004 8:50 am
#7
Mm.. i mentioned this in another post i think, but I've been told most of the Highest level mobs have 100% accuracy despite ur defence (melee or ranged) so the defensive mods really is the only way to stop yourself getting hit.. maybe max out counterattack at 125 and then try CoB, see if that helps? I was killing elders last night and did notice counterattack helping a bit (avoided 2 very nasty Cascade of Hatred that could have finished me off ) but i didn't try an elder without CoB - will try one tonite if i get chance 
as for a waste of mind - 2 decent brandies (or 3 if ur lucky enough to know a fab chef) and 2 or 3 decent Canape and u shouldn't be having problems with mind anyway.. I'm not speedcapped atm but can kill elders before my canape runs out
) but i didn't try an elder without CoB - will try one tonite if i get chance as for a waste of mind - 2 decent brandies (or 3 if ur lucky enough to know a fab chef) and 2 or 3 decent Canape and u shouldn't be having problems with mind anyway.. I'm not speedcapped atm but can kill elders before my canape runs out
Joinky316
Thu Aug 05, 2004 9:16 pm
#8
TenlossDisruptor wrote:
Mm.. i mentioned this in another post i think, but I've been told most of the Highest level mobs have 100% accuracy despite ur defence (melee or ranged) so the defensive mods really is the only way to stop yourself getting hit.. maybe max out counterattack at 125 and then try CoB, see if that helps? I was killing elders last night and did notice counterattack helping a bit (avoided 2 very nasty Cascade of Hatred that could have finished me off
I'm pretty sure accuracy is capped at 5% for the min and 95% for the max. And, my comments concerned Elder hunting before the patch that brought back weapons and specials. I haven't had the chance to fight one since the patch, so I don't know how CoB's effectiveness was changed, if at all. As for Mind, I always have as much Brandy and Canape going as my stomach will allow, and sometimes it does indeed go down... the only bar that went down, in fact. Anyways, you must have a pretty sweet PH if you can kill an Elder in 11 or so minutes and not speedcapped. I'm not speedcapped either, and it takes me 15-17 min (depending on how much time I choose to waste stacking Intimidates and trying to apply various DoT's from looted weapons).
TenlossDisruptor
Fri Aug 06, 2004 1:53 am
#9
Am just going on what i've heard about the accuracy thing - I'm not averse to being wrong at all so feel free to correct me 
. Nothing's been mentioned about CoB being changed, so afaik it should work the same as it did before.. but like I said, i've always started a CoB macro before fighting elders so i would have to experiment without to see if it makes a difference i guess
Btw... has anyone else noticed that when u get an Elder's Mind bar down to around 40% her resists start to drop? They stop at 50%, 14% on the weaker ones i think... I saw this for the first time the other night and wondered if it was intentional or a bug?
. Nothing's been mentioned about CoB being changed, so afaik it should work the same as it did before.. but like I said, i've always started a CoB macro before fighting elders so i would have to experiment without to see if it makes a difference i guess Btw... has anyone else noticed that when u get an Elder's Mind bar down to around 40% her resists start to drop? They stop at 50%, 14% on the weaker ones i think...
I saw this for the first time the other night and wondered if it was intentional or a bug?
HuntinHeads
Fri Aug 06, 2004 9:24 am
#10
in reguards to ^ ? Yes, when you do enough damage, eventually you will "wear through" the mobs armor, and the resists will start to decrease.
As for the original poster.... I would drop med. You should be okay without it. Maybe keep some synthsteak on hand if you need to. Combined with intimidate2 (btw doesn't reduce damage more that 1, just lasts longer) you should be able to regen enough back.
Has/does anyone use a heal droid? That might be something to consider. I think they only use stim A's. A's will hit for about 100, wich isn't great, but with good armor and buffs and being healed for 100 without draining your mind, elders should be np.
Naruk_The_Wookiee
Sat Aug 07, 2004 2:06 am
#11
Joinky316 wrote:
First of all, as others have mentioned, you can't really half-ass the Meditation line of TKA. Either max it or drop it (I'd recommend maxing it for wound healing, power boost, and state heals).
Hmm, why not? The only things u gain from 4-x-x-x instead of 2-x-x-x tkawill be theability to mediate wounds and force of will...with 2-x-x-x i´m able to cure bleeds/poison/disease and have powerboost....
verticalis
Sat Aug 07, 2004 6:20 am
#12
I wouldn't think that anyone could solo an elder now they have their force powers back
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