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Thread: Why don't the other melee professions get Meditate?

SonosVelkeir
Sun Sep 21, 2003 3:08 pm
#1

Seems to me its something that would fit in with the other melee professions, and give us a needed boost in utility. We wouldnt necessarily get the special moves meditation gives, force of will etc, but having meditation in my eyes would make us a ton more viable as a melee class. I think TKA was the only melee class that got meditation because SOE assumed that monks only fought unarmed, heh. Not that TKAs fight unarmed either, cough vks cough(although at master they often do better without vks, which is as it should be). TKA is an awesome profession, I just want Swordsmen/Fencers/Pikemen to be granted some **edit** utility. Hell take out 3 of the ae moves for all I care, just give us meditation.


A while back I was master brawler/master heavy swordsman/TKA meditation line and absolutely loved the meditation, it looked looked fitting sitting there with a sword(thats right SOE SWORDSMAN not axeman/hammerman) and meditating. Dont get me wrong, I like the look of some of our axes/hammer, but they dont really seem fitting. I love being a swordsman, and actually do quite well in PvP and PvE, but have absolutely no utility other than damage, sure I can posture change if it actually lands for the 5 seconds it lasts. All you other swordsmen, keep your heads up, even without changes we are somewhat viable, but we need to become more than "somewhat" viable. I have high hopes for the class, but I think we should push for some utility, ie meditation and being able to hunt efficiently without pets or food.


So'nos Velkeir


Master Swordsman/Master CH/Medic

korgin
Sun Sep 21, 2003 4:10 pm
#2

it's a bit borked...tka gets way more utility...way more defence +38 unarmed toughness vs +18 in the elite trees but doesn't suffer much for damage...i really didn't believe how good tka was with a friend blabbing how good it was all the the time, so I fiddled around with it myself after having been a 4 box swordsman


the extra toughness is huge in tanking, my guess is that like speed it's a %...so 30 extra freaking percent...i can now sit with multiple huurtons biting me, and a novice medic can easily keep me going..., oh counterattack? well i still do this when unarmed with 0 skill in it, i couldn't tank like this with swordsman, i didn't have that big fat +15 toughness like i do from advanced balance...damage? no problem 700-900 on uahit 2 and i have crappy VK, oh and i'm capping on speed with that move...sure I can hit for several k with 2h hit 2(IF i hit, thx accuracy), but at novice, that's going to cost over 10 seconds, and even at master it'll be 4 seconds


i'm told that uahit3 is a huge improvement over 2, and because tka will end with over 100 speed mods, it will always cap speed...


oops, throw in a whole line that stops poison, bleeding, and wounds


right now things just seem broken, tka has too much over the other melee...sure swordsman is probably the 2nd best, and has a chance at huge hits which they trade for accuracy...but from what i've seen from tk masters they equal the dps of those huge hits, without less of accuracy, and with greater defence and utility

Nagorak
Sun Sep 21, 2003 6:29 pm
#3

If you didn't surrender swordsman before going TKA you'll still counter attack because you still have the skill. If you're saying you only got to the 4th box of swords (ie, not even novice) then I'm sorry to say but you're not really qualified to judge the profession.


That said, I agree TKAs are a little bit overpowered compared to the other melees (although not overpowered in general, by any means). Hopefully they'll increase our toughness and the rate at which we counter attack in a future patch. Although, I do notice that at the moment I counter attack at least once a fight. So, if they tripled or quadrupled it, that would be a big difference.

Shin_Shodei
Sun Sep 21, 2003 6:51 pm
#4

well.. becouse.. not everyone is a monk.. just becouse you have a sword doesn't make you a martal artist.. but! there is nothing stoping you from going to teras kasi can geting meditation..




Rijin Shodei - Naritus - Dark Jedi Master (Active)

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Shin_Shodei
Sun Sep 21, 2003 6:53 pm
#5

They are raising everyone's tanking ablity, i've desided to master teras kasi and get Master Swordsman Defence. we are all tanks and we are getting fixed accordingly




Rijin Shodei - Naritus - Dark Jedi Master (Active)

"The Dark Side of the force is the path to powers that some may consider..unnatural.."

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Arkon_Liie
Sun Sep 21, 2003 10:56 pm
#6

Well the reason for that kind of makes sense...


We shouldn't get meditate. There is a lot of Starwars lore about Teras Kasi and their special abilities to regenerate and resist poison/disease long before SWG came out. But I do think weshould get something instead. Like it has been said - they are just as effective as we arePLUS they get med.




-Ketaken Liie
RaZoR617
Mon Sep 22, 2003 9:13 am
#7

lol, I would want something entierly differnt, Primal Rage, Boost foot Speed, damage, and increase resitance to damage"ignoring pain", give it a burning ham cost let it burn your health pool sorta like a bleedto catch up to the ranged attacker running for his life from you. Of course im a wookie and want to tear a certain few players,limb from limb.



Wookie Heavy swordsman, Creature handler, Medic

Razar
Slice you later
SonosVelkeir
Mon Sep 22, 2003 12:40 pm
#8

"well.. becouse.. not everyone is a monk.. just becouse you have a sword doesn't make you a martal artist.."



Sooooooooooo, if we arent martial artists what are we pray tell?

SonosVelkeir
Mon Sep 22, 2003 12:43 pm
#9

<stupid no edit button>


And if you read my post Akera'von I was TKA for a while . Just think its absurd that to get melee oriented utility ability I have to spec a completely different weapon. Meditation will be something that I would love, but we probably wouldnt get. Another utility skill thats as effective as meditation but different would be a godsend, will think about what that could be.

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