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Ok...we all know that knockdown sucks, but please lets not dwell on that as it is not the point of this post.

While climbing up the tree to Master Heavy Swordsman (HS), I dueled quite a bit with friends and others. Most people I dueled were TKAs.

Keep in mind that when I fight TKA, Knockdown and Kneel are not allowed.

Before Master HS, I could take out a TKA (not master yet either) with a swing, maybe two. I lost maybe a few times and won about 80% of duels. HeadHit3 for 750-2000 damage...poof dead.

Now that I'm a Master HS, i duel Master TKA's and lose almost every time. I've tried botha fast sword (1.8 spd) and a high damage sword (318dmg) and neither seems to make a difference. I try HeadHit3 and get about 350-700 damage. Much less than before.

Ithought that with a 1.8 speed sword I may have a better chance to get some shots off...since most VK's are 1.5 to 2.3 spd. But, nope....I get one shot in, TKA gets 3 or 4and hits for 300-1300. Makes no sense to me.

Is this because of the extra toughness bonuses TKAs get? Whats the deal?

Anyone else notice this? Please comment.

Oh...and for the "Missing" skills for Expert Finesse...we should get a Parry Defensive Bonus. I thought of this last week and forgot to post it here.

i'm pretty sure that toughness reduces the damage u take..

while.. melee defense (not so sure about this) is more of the chance-to-evade against melee attack (if u read the description of ranged defense, thats what it said...)

i have tons of melee defense too... and i don't evade much at all.. i think its broke...

but somehow TKA evades my sword a lot.. and they definitely take only 30% damage or less from all our hits....

as for toughness, i think its working properly for us.. i'm taking way less damage than i would if i'm using my pistol, and i'm only on offense 3... and the jump between offense 2 and 3 is definitely noticable...

but i think its also percentage... (so TKA's 15 points of difference is HUGE in comparison to ours)..

cause i think its 100% damage - toughness ... after other factors..

then again TKA is taking less than that.. so i'm not so sure.

The knucklers only have AP1.

Well if you go on who goes down first is the winner then this might not count, but use Mindhit before Headhit to get them bleeding, if they get you they will still bleed out usually for close to or over 1000hp.

I am a swordsman and it does seem TKA are the ones with all the goodies. I mean really think. This guy knocks me down then once i get up he keeps on hittin me and i barly scrath him. I do have one thing to say. When i am in a PvP i use a marksman to get there attention then move in and Bam they down.

lol c ya

i know what u mean.. i've fought some TKA myself

my regular damage goes down to around 30% of its usual value... (on the combat screen...) and since our AP2 isn't working in pvp, its actual damage is MUCH LOWER than against monster..

i dueled a TKA w/ master brawler before, (i'm 3 box away from master HS (need offense and finesse)

soo.. first found.. no KD.. he used warcry, i'm screwed...

oh i got one hit in.. 83 damage

second round.. no skills.. we just hit each other.. me sword, him unarmed (no vibros)... i'm dead.. doing 80 damages... and missing a lot

third round.. i go berserk and he's supposed to use vibro.. he forgot to equip it though..

i got him to 2/3 hp before i'm dead...

so **edit** is up with that? btw u guys know that vibro is also AP2.... their regular damage is much higher, their defense is godly (btw he's not wearing any armor at all)... they have meditate (no need for doctor), they can KD, and their weapon is just as good as ours.. or even better?... anyone see anything wrong with this?

according to my TKA friend: "of course! TKA are supposed to be the beast of melee!"... since when?.. for what **edit** reason?... pit a really good swordsman against a really good unarmed guy... i bet most of the time the swordie comes out alive.

Sorry...I didn't realize there was a similar post about this subject.

The Toughness bonus that TKA gets is Unarmed Toughness. They do get Melee Defense bonuses also.

Thinking that their Melee Defense may have something to do with this...I grinded away and got Novice TKA, and had enough combat XP to train in Precision 1+2.

My Melee Defense is now 47. I don't see a difference yet.

I dueled a few TKA Masters....same result. I was able to win one out of five when I actually landed 2 hits....to his 3 and 2 misses.

Maybe Unarmed Toughness is functioning as Melee Defense....and 2h/1h/pole toughness is borked...and Melee Defense isn't working at all?