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Thread: Master Swordsmen / Master Doctors, please advise me on PVE and PVP
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jmonty
Wed Jun 30, 2004 6:53 pm
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I was just looking through the swordsman forumn, and noticed that 'Ississ' of Farstar was a master doc/ master swordsman. he (i assume he) was saying ns elders don't drop jack for him. i am the same template and have yet to slay a ns elder alone. now, i thought my 80% kin armor, buffs,and excellent food combined with my2600'ish buffs and master doctor healing ability would allow me to hunt whatever i could find. however, the ns elders always have me/bu runnning for my life. isit not advisable to hunt them alone, or do i just need adifferent type of armor? i would really appreciate any advice. i guess i amkind of a n00b. idon't even know what damage type ns elders hand out.
also, what templates doyou veterens reccomendto compliment swordsmen, with the intent to be self sufficient?
one more thing.. do i have the potential to be a viable force in PVP?
jah'y (eclipse) master doctor, master swordsman.protectorof theed.
AbstractDreamz
Wed Jun 30, 2004 7:00 pm
#2
I solo elders about twenty times a day and the one thing that finally got me over the hump to be able to solo them easier is having Intimidate II. Without it I would be toast and I would go through even more armor than I currently do(4 suits - 7 chestplates a week). I also am Riflemen and switch to my T-21 when soloing the Elders, it seems to do more damage alot faster.
zyxxyz
Thu Jul 01, 2004 8:55 am
#3
I solo'd a NS Elder as a Master Doc/3444 Swordsman, so I know it can be done. This is the only time I've ever fought one, so take it for what it's worth.
My buffs are nothing spectacular, didn't even use Bivoli. My armor is mostly 75-80% kinetic composite, again nothing special. My power hammer is pretty nice (made on experimentation patch day) but is unsliced. I have no 2HS skill attachments, so uber equipment is not required.
What is required are patience and discipline. Took me close to an hour to take down the elder (369k Mind). Basically I spammed Intimidate 1/HeadHit 3/HeadHit 3, also keeping the MindHit 2 bleed on the entire time. The only time stopped was to drink more brandy or heal myself (only had to heal a few times during the fight). Oh, and I had to take out a couple of Spellweavers who decided to get into the fight also. I used a muon gold when they popped, but I probably didn't need it.
Use your power hammer and concentrate on the mind pool. You should be fine unless you get adds throughout the fight.
My buffs are nothing spectacular, didn't even use Bivoli. My armor is mostly 75-80% kinetic composite, again nothing special. My power hammer is pretty nice (made on experimentation patch day) but is unsliced. I have no 2HS skill attachments, so uber equipment is not required.
What is required are patience and discipline. Took me close to an hour to take down the elder (369k Mind). Basically I spammed Intimidate 1/HeadHit 3/HeadHit 3, also keeping the MindHit 2 bleed on the entire time. The only time stopped was to drink more brandy or heal myself (only had to heal a few times during the fight). Oh, and I had to take out a couple of Spellweavers who decided to get into the fight also. I used a muon gold when they popped, but I probably didn't need it.
Use your power hammer and concentrate on the mind pool. You should be fine unless you get adds throughout the fight.
Decin
Thu Jul 01, 2004 6:26 pm
#4
what was said above for teh elders works and is correct, i would just like to address your PvP question. If you wish to be good in pvp as a swordsman, it really comes down to your equipment. As a doc and master swordsman w/ the basic equipment along w/ a half decent scythe you won't be too good at PvP but you will get a few wins. On the other hand if you are rich, or take the time to muster up 20+ mill and cap out your speed you will be quite good at PvP whith a good akley hammer. If you do this you will also be generating much more money as you will beable to solo elders in a matter of minets and everything else, so you could fund yourself easily by selling loot.
Av-limil
Thu Jul 01, 2004 8:48 pm
#5
Can you hit an intimidated defense stacker w/ a PH reliably? I've got a +17 speed tape already, so I'm swinging my hammer at the cap.
Isvurx
Fri Jul 02, 2004 1:12 am
#6
You can hit a defense stacker with the PH, i've got +25 acc from attachments and it really helps - I also use citros snow cake which gives another +40 acc.
If i have problem hitting them with my acklay hammer (-40 ranges) i switch to my regular hammer that have -4 range mods, i can hit a fencer on COB when blind without difficulty.
Cronolith
Fri Jul 02, 2004 1:47 am
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its pretty easy to solo a NS elder tbh as master doc / swordsman.. but unless you are speed capped its just kinda slow. what you need is:
comp armor 80% kinetic, with good base
some decent stim e's
brandy
canape (thats prolly the most important... as it buffs your mind regen.. that way you won't run outta mind.. i just pop one at a time they last 8 mins but adjust as you need it)
powerhammer around 600 max dam +
then just pop 1 brandy, pop a canape and intim the thing. then its just the headshot attack. I used to use a CoB macro as well, but tbh i don't bother now. i also have some smugglers delight (reduced muon downer to 3 seconds) and some muon gold incase of emergencies (like when i forget to take enough canape outta my crate before starting the fight hehe).
you'll occasionally need stim's, but pretty rarely tbh.. just make sure you keep her intimidated too..
only prob i've ever had killing one, is around 30k mind they start to wander off... and the last one i was fighting decided to disappear on me when she had 10k mind left after a 20 min battle.. which was VERY annoying..
comp armor 80% kinetic, with good base
some decent stim e's
brandy
canape (thats prolly the most important... as it buffs your mind regen.. that way you won't run outta mind.. i just pop one at a time they last 8 mins but adjust as you need it)
powerhammer around 600 max dam +
then just pop 1 brandy, pop a canape and intim the thing. then its just the headshot attack. I used to use a CoB macro as well, but tbh i don't bother now. i also have some smugglers delight (reduced muon downer to 3 seconds) and some muon gold incase of emergencies (like when i forget to take enough canape outta my crate before starting the fight hehe).
you'll occasionally need stim's, but pretty rarely tbh.. just make sure you keep her intimidated too..
only prob i've ever had killing one, is around 30k mind they start to wander off... and the last one i was fighting decided to disappear on me when she had 10k mind left after a 20 min battle.. which was VERY annoying..
Auhal
Sat Jul 03, 2004 1:35 am
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Killing elders at the moment is not hard - it is just boring - especially solo. When hunting nightsisters, I always /follow them first but then it is just a case of keeping them intimidated, and spamming head hit - can take ages though if you are not speed capped (I am not).
Efour
Sat Jul 03, 2004 8:51 pm
#9
yep around 35-40 minutes with a 5.4 speed hammer +16% speed up max damage 599. Its completely boring. You also have to be careful they dont decide to just warp away into the sunset. Nothing is more soul destroying than after 45 minutes your target decides to simply vanish
Tip for NS elders Get one of those mind DOT battle axes from jabbas palace. Its not much extra damage but it all adds up over time.
Tip for NS elders Get one of those mind DOT battle axes from jabbas palace. Its not much extra damage but it all adds up over time.
Eyam
Mon Jul 05, 2004 12:53 pm
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I think the Gamorrean (sp) axe is a Health Dot, sadly.
What works for me as Master Swordsman/Master Doc with NS Elders is just having my bike handy - I just bash it targetting mind then get on the bike & keep out of reach until my mind recoups, then go again. Burst running for a minute or three whilst mind regens is effective too.
That said, my hammers are pitiable things compared to what I read about here, & I have no speed tapes installed, so clobbering an Elder takes a good 30 mins. So, I tend to stick to Sentinels, Spellweavers, Protectors (can solo any number of them simultaneoulsy) in the belief/hope that the chances of a loot drop are better, quantity over quality wise.
I've had 2 tape drops from NS - neither of them from Elders. One was a plus 12 Pistol Aiming while Moving & the other was another plus 12 on some combat skill, Rifles I think. Both had other mods on the tapes too. A plus 12 is plenty high enough for me, reckon it was just bad luck that it was n't plus 12 experimentaion on something. In the time it would take me to clobber an Elder, I can probably bash at least a dozen non-Elder NS - I suspect it's just more efficient to bash non-Elders, at least until you are speed capped with a really good hammer & can do Elders in 5 minutes.
Iam
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