Swordsman Archive
Thread: Doubting the potential...
I don't mean to be a little whiner, but a number of us got bored on Lok the other night and did some duels. I won a good many duels, even some against ranged players. But then came a novice bounty hunter, novice pistoleer, and a TKA.
::Round 1:: FIGHT!
Eyeshot. I lose.
::Round 2:: FIGHT!
Pistol Whip. I lose.
::Round 3:: FIGHT!
Unarmed Knockdown + Dizzy. I lose and can't stand up without falling for a week.
What's the motivation for even attempting to master swordsman if i'm a completely inferior melee class. Hell, i'm inferior in melee to both of those ranged classes as well...
Knockdown's a bitch...
Gohan.
From what i hear (and experienced myself ) is that at lower levels of the swordsman tree are hard.
In duels you'll probably get owned alot of the time vs other melee classes.
But.............i've also heard that master swordsman own other master melee classes from a few ppl.
So I wouldnt worry too much about the potential cuz its definately there.
Just be patient, everyone says master swordsman is well worth time and patience it takes to get there.
Heath
~Rexon
Novice Swordsman/Bloodfin
Gohan6240 wrote:
I don't mean to be a little whiner, but a number of us got bored on Lok the other night and did some duels. I won a good many duels, even some against ranged players. But then came a novice bounty hunter, novice pistoleer, and a TKA.
::Round 1:: FIGHT!
Eyeshot. I lose.
::Round 2:: FIGHT!
Pistol Whip. I lose.
::Round 3:: FIGHT!
Unarmed Knockdown + Dizzy. I lose and can't stand up without falling for a week.
What's the motivation for even attempting to master swordsman if i'm a completely inferior melee class. Hell, i'm inferior in melee to both of those ranged classes as well...
Knockdown's a bitch...
Well if you had hit your button first you would win. What do they do when you do Headshot 2 for 1200 mind damage? You just were slow to hit your attack button. Next time get next to them and make them challenge you to the duel. Then accept and hit 2hand hit 2 and watch them drop =)
It's still not cool that I have to hope for a one-shot kill, when they can just throw a knockdown out there and hack away at their leisure. Or shoot away, whichever. And for the record, against the TKA, we were face to face and I was spamming 2h Sweep. I knocked him to kneeling, as normal, but he got up almost immediately and used knockdown on me and I layed/stood there like an idiot the rest of the time. As a master swordsman, what can you do against knockdown? I better get a freakin force choke like Vader because there's not much else I can think of...
By the way, heres a play by play of some of my duels last night.
I dueled three ppl in the mos eisley medical center.
Duel 1 (novice Marksman) I go bezerk and after chasing for a couple of seconds, incap him in 1 hit.
I die less than a minute later from bleed =(
Duel2 (same guy) He gets smarter this time and gets some distance from me before the duel starts.
Its extremely close as i chase him around swinging my sword, i think i died due to bleed.
Duel 3 (same guy) Dont know what attack he used but he killed my health in a matter of seconds.
Duel 4 (same guy) Duel starts, he tries to kite, i incap him in 1 hit.
we had a couple more, it was pretty even.
2nd guy- he was another ranged char, just cant remember exactly what profession.
Duel 1- Duel starts.........he fires a few shots as i charge, i catch up and incap him in one blow (i love berzerk)
He didnt want anymore after that =)
3rd guy (novice pikeman)
I was excited to finally get to duel another melee class. (i dont duel that often)
Duel 1- The duel started when he accepted, I thought i would use my favorite tactic and go berzerk and just hack away..............well..............it was a bad idea to say the least.
He chained together 2 specialattacks that looked like a 5 hit combo, and my action bar was down to nothing in a matter of seconds. I should of chained sweep, and 2hand2 together.
unfortunately he didnt have time for a second duel, so i had to settle with a loss, and no redemption.
Im pretty sure i could of taken him with the right tactics, oh well.
Conclusion.
SwordsmanARE pretty strong at low levels, we make hella good tanks and deal out massive damage. But against knockdown and status attacks we are severelylacking in defense.
Heath
~Rexon
Novice Swordsman
Bloodfin
Gohan6240 wrote:
It's still not cool that I have to hope for a one-shot kill, when they can just throw a knockdown out there and hack away at their leisure. Or shoot away, whichever. And for the record, against the TKA, we were face to face and I was spamming 2h Sweep. I knocked him to kneeling, as normal, but he got up almost immediately and used knockdown on me and I layed/stood there like an idiot the rest of the time. As a master swordsman, what can you do against knockdown? I better get a freakin force choke like Vader because there's not much else I can think of...
Ok your first problem is you were using sweep vs a TKA. TKA get to standup for free - you should never use posture change vs a TKA. Your best bet is to just knock them out. Try 2hand hit (your highest) or if you can see they have no helmet go for a mind shot.
If you are also a master brawler you can try a knockdown (2hand lunge 2) we do get. However, again, vs a TKA posture changes areaBAD idea.
Vs Range your best bet is to run away behind a building and stim yourself. The Range guy will persue, but you hit burstrun. When you see him run to you you go after him and he will not realize you have burst cause he wil be to far away to see the message and he will assume your hp damage is from his attack. Then when you are close, lunge him to knockdown (if you are a master brawler). if not, stack as many mind DOTs on him and then attack his mind. Or you can try for some violent strikes - again use the armor he wears as a clue. If he is wearing Ubese a hammer is a bad idea - likewise if he has a helm dont use mind hits.
You just need some practice in pvp - we are fine =)
An other little trick to help with getting the first shot in duels is to be the acepter and have a hot key set up for your opening attack.
Get Master Brawler. 2HLunge2 is a knockdown, and as I understand it has a range of 15m. I think that's farther than Pistol Whip, which means you can out fight the Pistoleer.
How would someone even be able to get close enough to a person gaurding with a sword to even hit you with there gun.... It just sounds stupid.