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well, im thinking of yet again changing my template. after having a ton of fun with smuggler/swordsman/teras kasi/scout/medic im goin to drop smuggler in favor of master brawler, balance conditioning line from tka, and an extra skill in exploration.

so i wanna know about all the master brawler skills. how reliable is intimidate 2, hows the ham, how long does the effect last, is it aoe, does it have a range (ive heard it does)? same questions go for warcry 2 too. i havnt heard almost anything about berserk 2, is it more reliable, does it make you do even more damage, or last longer, or both, and hows the ham? ive heard that lunge 2 is great for pve kiters, and also gives a significant advantage over just a regular swordsman, is this true?

also, how do all those skills work out in pvp. for all of you who dont know (basically all of you), im a great lover of pvp, and am interested to see just how much master brawler would increase my swordsman abilities. the way ill have my template set up, ill have 57 melee defense, 50 melee, 45 against knock down, and blah blah blah, so i can afford the time it takes to get within 15 meters of my target.

thx in advance, and have a good time

Warcry 2 makes a person not able to attack for 20 seconds. I think intimidate 2 is just a longer intimidate 1, but I am not sure. It seems worth it to go for master brawler if you already have 2 of the branches. 20 seconds without attacking is a long time in pvp, especially against a commando or bh. Lunge 2 is a knockdown that has a longer range then regular attacks, not sure if it would be effective since you are a tka too. Warcry 2, and the extra stats that make these attacks worth it seem like a winning combination. I want to get master brawler too, but I have to master some other professions still.

Master brawler is great. The combination of intimidate and stun greatly reduces the damage done to you by an opponent. Intimidate 2 just lasts longer, both intimidates have a 15m range I think, I know intimi2 does. Warcry 2 also is for 15m for the first target, if you hit them you also get a shot at all the targets behind him for up to 40m, also great. lunge2 is for the target on the run, though you can also use lunge 1 to slow them, lunge2 is good because marksmen can't shoot you as you close. I do not reccommend using berserk 2 unless you are fighting a lot of esay opponents, it lasts too long, and the greatest thing about master brawler are the de buffsm which can't be done while you berserk for an hour. Hence I mostly use berserk one.

The best part is the options, as a tka 4-3-0-4, master brawler/heavysword, fencer 2-4-0-0, pike man 0-0-4-0 medic 0-0-0-0 before the patch I was as good as anyone else in duelling. Did I win all the time? no, did I win more than 50% of the time against knockdown spamming burst running marksmen? yes.

But the options are the coolest part. For example, in one run in particular I fought a eyeshot spamming BH 3 times in a row, first time he tries pistol whip, doesn't work, I warcry, lunge2, head hit 3, fight over. He then says I can't win if you warcry. I say ok, I won't we start again, eyeshot misses, lunge2, head hit 3 fight over. He then says if yuo knock me down I cant do anything. I laugh and say ok I won't kd, warcry, or head hit if you don't run. He says ok. We go again, I pull out the knuclers that are speed sliced, blind, stun, intimidate 2, then berserk with the damage slice power hammer, he is hitting for 35-50, I hit for 100 or more, I win. This can be done with NPC's as well.

As A fencer I could decide to health bleed, and berserk them to death with the heavy sword, or debuff with teras, thengo to another weapon. I can use stun baton after debuffing for the stun vulnerable. All this is because I had skills all over the place. it was great, a lot of variation, different stratagy for different enemies.
I would really advise yuo to go for it, with the patch you may not need medic at all? plus with warcry2 and a stacked mind bleed there is little you can solo if you wish, and everygroup wants you because warcry2 stops everyone including pets from taking damage.

There are even more tactics I don't even konw about I am sure!
my 2 cents... fwew Sorry about the paragraph I gotta work on these line breaks

Hehe Ivossk..I must say you're one of the best on Gorath

hehe, thanks ivossk. but i think i may need contacts after reading that mother of a paragraph

so, anyone got anymore info for me, id greatly appreciate it.

"I fought a eyeshot spamming BH 3 times in a row, first time he tries pistol whip, doesn't work,"

Thats no BH pistol whip is a pistoleer skill. that was one of those nasty pvp cookie cutter dabblers..

It would be interesting to fight someone using those tactics. My Wookiee is normally cannon fodder in duels. My second character is a zabrak and major dabbler. He is a master pistol with DF4 and flame 4. Plus I have powerboost from tka. My wookiee master doc buffs me and I have a supply of the fish food for mind buff. My pistols are krayts with powerups. My composite is 70+ against kinetic. I havn't fought a melee person yet that has even came close. In fact I havn't even had a chance to pull out my flame thrower on one.

I'm saying this not to challenge you but to say I hope you are right. I was very disappointed in my Master Sword master doc Wookiee as he constantly gets owned in pvp. Its shamful how easy pvp is with my second character. My first love is melee, but I couldn't stand being helpless. I got all the you don't know any tactics crap from the master sword gods but in the end it was really due to the Wookiees lack of armor, especially helmets, and the fact that ranged weaps have an extreme advantage. Heck with all the pistol defenses plus equilibrium that zabraks get when I do get knocked down I get right back up plus equalize my stats. My bro is a master tka from a once defunct master Pike and his knockdown dizzy couldnt keep me down for more than a couple of seconds. I feel that in a melee fight you should own my pistol. However, that just isn't the case right now.... at least not in the last 25 duals or so..

There's one thing you have to understand about Heavy Swordsman, is that it ISNT a PvP proffesion. The way I see it, brawler is sliced into three.

First, you got yer Teras Kasi's, now, these guys are the mean-lean-PvPing Machines of Brawling. Fight against a TK at close range and your gonna get toasted.

Second, you've got your Fencer - These guys are fairly good PvP and fairly good PvE, your all-rounder as most folk would say.

Thirdly, your Heavy Swordsman - These guys can annihlate Nature like no tommorow, seriously, going on a hunt, watch how much damage these guys can do.

Where Polearm fits I have no clue, but I know that Swordsman beats TK in PvE. I did a test with a buddy, same levels in Swordsman (me) and he was in TK. We decided to do a test against some Guf Drolgs. We start at the same time - In two hits, ive nailed the poor creature, about three times the time, he's got his down.

Try it out, it's good to see in action. Polearm is just a space filler, why we didnt get something more useful like Meleé Support (like Marksman's Ranged) is beond me.

you are right smygaren he was a miced character, not all BH. But that didn't stop him from trying to poke my eye out, stupid beebee gun... and I agree almost totally with sharkanis, heavy sword alone is not great for PVP, a lot is left to chance. that is why I dropped all my ranger, CH and scout levels to do an almost all brawler character for the defences. the pistoleer/BH and TK masters were fist on the list of big pay back. Turns out I did very well against both of those characters. I defeated most TK masters, only lost when knockdown actually worked, which wasn't often. And yeah, heavy swordsman do more damage than anyone against creatures it rules. But for PVP it can be difficult, but you also have to make sure you explore all the options, there are many different ways to win as I am finding out by reading these posts. And if I wore any armour in duels, I probably would have won more... I actually did not back in the sparing days... I where it on big hunts now but it is only the 38% resist composite my friend gave me when he left the game a month ago... I need to look more into this armor thing. Thanks guys! I learn something new everyday... Ubesse.. Hmmm

trust me, i know a thing or too about pvp. ive been a ch, been a rifleman, (ive still always had swordsman), and both at the same time. thing is i wanted to be able to use my sword and power hammer in pvp fights, as i was using my rifle to much for my liking. thats why i went carbineer/doctor/swordsman so i could buff myself, knockdown my opponent anywhere inside 64 meters and land a huge mind bleed on em. but then tka's power boost got fixed and i went smuggler/medic/tka/swordsman so i still had a ranged knock down (lowblow), had more defense (took precision striking 2 from tka) and heal my self with stims and meditation (pharm 4, first aid 4, meditation 4). lol, if i ever found myself in a nasty situation on a tough planet id just feign death. with this high decay (too high) im gonna be missing feign death.

but now ive decided im goin to master the balance conditioning and precision striking lines from tka and get master brawler, keep my medic skills, get another box in exploration (3), and keep master swordsman (of course). basically, i know how to pvp, and everyone in bestine, kadaara, and theed knows it. im just going a more pve route this time, but i think ill still be viable in pvp. morath i dont know if ur gonna be able to hit me, with 60 somthin ranged defense and center of being on, much less knock me down with 45 knock down defense. but i guess ill see once i start pvp in again.

lol, instead of feign death im gonna switch to unarmed (50 somethin toughness) and make a run for it.

thx for all the info ppl, keep it comin. i still wanna know how reliable lunge 2 is.

yeah marksmen/brawler seems great, even better with warcry2. Lunge 2 is kinda up and down. I wonder if it has more to do with the specific skills of the opponent though. For PVE it is great, for duels, really hard to say.