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TheWanderersg

Wed Mar 10, 2004 2:27 am

#1

Jinta cave, endor, areat attack 3.

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bob535

Wed Mar 10, 2004 2:39 am

#2

exploit area attack you mean right?

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TheWanderersg

Wed Mar 10, 2004 7:06 am

#3

1. I find that offensive, I don't know what that is

2. And no, no exploit was used, i never hit for any abnormal damage, and was incaped 4 times(not within 10 mins so it was ok) And i use brandy, ice cream, buffs, muon, and armor. Please try to think of other ways to beat things other than cheating before insulting/accusing somone.

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WarFerret

Wed Mar 10, 2004 7:31 am

#4

It's entirely possible you were taking advantage of the AoE bug without realising it - occasionally (and the Geonosian caves are terrible for this), rather than applying a small amount of damage to all mobs, it will apply every hit to a single character resulting in that characters almost immediate death, happens a lot when there's lots of corpses around you.

In the heat of battle it's almost impossible to realise you're doing it, stuff just dies and the amount of spam the attack generates tends to hide the fact that loads of damage was applied to a single target.

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LothostheUnseen

Wed Mar 10, 2004 8:17 am

#5

I don't understand why this is considered an exploit. If it happens randomnly and the player cannot control it then how is the player exploiting anything? The player is simply using an attack that works correctly a majority of the time (or at least the lower level area attacks do...I''m not that advanced yet but I've never seen this bug in action...) and is in game.

I could understand if TH or the Devs posted saying not to use the attack due to this bug but given the limitations of our profession, the design of it, and the recent changes, I'm unclear as to why a swordsman would forgo a viable, valid special attack that occassionaly mi**edit**s due to a bug which he or she cannot direclty influence.

That, to me at least, seems far different than placing a harvester on top of a crate and shooting through it, for example.

WarFerret

Wed Mar 10, 2004 8:30 am

#6

Well, yes, it's not controllable, but it makes things substantially easier than they ought to be - in the Geo caves it misfires a LOT, to the point where I was the only one left standing after the rest of the group had been taken out and took out about 10 crazed geos in no time when I resorted to spamming it (hey, I'm not proud of it, but it was the only way to save the group and since the spawn on FarStar seems a bit jiggered, I don't feel guilty

)

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Knocky

Wed Mar 10, 2004 8:37 am

#7

I have yet to see my AA3 single out one Mob to pound on.

I use it often on Sharniffs on Corellia, Rancors on Dath and yes in the Geo caves. I am always watching the Mobs that are attacking me simply because once the Mob you have targeted goes down you have to target the Mob with the highest remaining HAM so that you can finish off the rest of their friends.

If this does happen occationally, then it is a aboration and not a exploit.

WarFerret

Wed Mar 10, 2004 9:02 am

#8

To my knowledge it's most prone to happening when you're surrounded by corpses, the Geo caves on farstar are a bit borked in that the entry spawn generates 15-20 Geonosians as opposed to the 4 I understand appear on certain other servers, so when I started whacking AA3 they started falling over almost immediately - it definitely hasn't been a rare occurence for me.

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alphahawk

Wed Mar 10, 2004 9:24 am

#9

Old news about jinda caves. They are extremly weak and give good xp.

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Sotaudi

Wed Mar 10, 2004 4:30 pm

#10

LothostheUnseen wrote:

I don't understand why this is considered an exploit. If it happens randomnly and the player cannot control it then how is the player exploiting anything? The player is simply using an attack that works correctly a majority of the time (or at least the lower level area attacks do...I''m not that advanced yet but I've never seen this bug in action...) and is in game.

I could understand if TH or the Devs posted saying not to use the attack due to this bug but given the limitations of our profession, the design of it, and the recent changes, I'm unclear as to why a swordsman would forgo a viable, valid special attack that occassionaly mi**edit**s due to a bug which he or she cannot direclty influence.

That, to me at least, seems far different than placing a harvester on top of a crate and shooting through it, for example.

A couple of things:

First,it is not as random as you are thinking. All it takes is a group of corpses and a target in the middle of them. If you fire an AOE attack, all the damage from that attack gets applied to your target. It may take some setting up (i.e., leave the corpses unlooted for a while or wait until the empty ones pile up enough) or you may have to find just the right angle, but it is far from a random occurance over which the player has no control.

Second, there is a difference between "use" and "exploit." You can use things to your advantage without exploiting. For instance, as a melee player, if someone is shooting you and you cannot get to them, run behind a building to block their line of sight and prevent them from hitting you. This is not an exploit any more than them kiting you is, because in both cases things are working as intended.

Exploiting is different. Exploiting is using something to gain an advantage in a way that it was not intended to work. The game did not intend for you to be able to one-hit kill Red cons. Yet, this bugwill allow for one shot kills of red conning mobs.It is known that this happens. So if you go in with the intent of using it, you are exploiting. Likewise, if you continue to use it after you realize it is doing something it should not do, you are exploiting.

This is not to say that you should gimp yourself. For instance, when I am in that cave, I intentionally use my high damage single target attacks (Hit3 and HeadHit3) so as to avoid encountering that bug even though I would normally wade into them with Area3 to fight more than one at a time. However, if I am surrounded by more creatures than I can handle one at a time and it looks like I am being overwhelmed, I will switch to Area3 because it is the attack I would use in that situation (i.e., saving my butt from a multi-target attack). I am not going to sacrifice myself, my time, and my armor because the Devs have yet to fix a known bug. I will do so, nothoping the AOE/Corpse but will trigger, but solely because that is the only techniquethat will save me even without the bug. On the other hand, if I am facing a single target, and I am losing, I will not switch to Area3 hoping the bug will kick in and save me. That is quite a different thing and would be exploiting since Hit3 and Area3 do exactly the same damage.

People may also think, it is only NPCs or Mobs, so who does it hurt? Well, it hurts us all. If people use exploits to gain XP, they are leveling faster than people who intentionally avoid the exploit. This puts the later people at a disadvantage. It also gives people loot rights they may not have obtained if they had competed legitimately. Finally, when used in a situation where others are competing, it steals the XP they would have gained had you both fought normally.

So, in this case, it is not different than placing a harvester on a crate or whatever other bug someone intentionally uses.

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OrizCore

Wed Mar 10, 2004 8:46 pm

#11

How do i know if i am doing this exppoit, im doing most of my xp for swordsman at the geo cave with my scythe and AA3 and havent noticed anything, i usualy just kill the 4 at the neternace to get some yellow cubes, which i havent gotten any yet, but i havent noticed anything like this at all. A couple of times i got fanshotted like 7 times at once by a geonosian and got corpsed real fast.

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bob535

Thu Mar 11, 2004 4:55 am

#12

ya, the creatures do it against you too with their aoe attacks, thats why the genosian cave is so deadly most of the time

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Zarqon

Thu Mar 11, 2004 8:08 am

#13

well, as I'm leveling swordsman right now: Coords to the jinta cave? or is it in the POIs?

also, does anyone know HAM/resists on them? about?

thanks

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