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Thread: What I need is all you ungreatful twirps to stop asking for an AP3 weapon...and here is why...
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TreindTyde
Mon Sep 27, 2004 4:48 pm
#1
Well, I got you attention. For starters, I am a speed capped swords but for quite a while I weilded my hammer with just +75 speed and quite happily as well. Of course it took longer to get the job done but that's what speed slices and speed power ups are for, that and other reasons embelished upon below......keep reading!!
A) power hammers already have an attractive damage range and do not complain about costs from weapon wear for if you buy pre sliced power hammers, speed slices will cost you very little, and power up costs are laughable.
B) Yes, I am aware of the existence of the AP3 T21, but that is a mistake and never should have been put in the game. If people whine that they want an AP3 sword then fencers will want the stun baton to be AP1(again, I'm aware that the jawa ion is AP1, alas I don't care because it is a joke, and is a mistake as well). This causes a chain reaction which completely unbalances the game and then people will want an AP3 stun hammer and I may just be forced to kill myself. Guess what folks, rifleman is the son of a whore on steroid, it never should have been and is way too strong.
APEist_theReb
Mon Sep 27, 2004 4:52 pm
#2
TreindTyde wrote:
Well, I got you attention. For starters, I am a speed capped swords but for quite a while I weilded my hammer with just +75 speed and quite happily as well. Of course it took longer to get the job done but that's what speed slices and speed power ups are for, that and other reasons embelished upon below......keep reading!!
A) power hammers already have an attractive damage range and do not complain about costs from weapon wear for if you buy pre sliced power hammers, speed slices will cost you very little, and power up costs are laughable.
B) Yes, I am aware of the existence of the AP3 T21, but that is a mistake and never should have been put in the game. If people whine that they want an AP3 sword then fencers will want the stun baton to be AP1(again, I'm aware that the jawa ion is AP1, alas I don't care because it is a joke, and is a mistake as well). This causes a chain reaction which completely unbalances the game and then people will want an AP3 stun hammer and I may just be forced to kill myself. Guess what folks, rifleman is the son of a whore on steroid, it never should have been and is way too strong.
i sorta agree, id rather have more usefull specials than ap3. btw rifleman are weak!
TreindTyde
Mon Sep 27, 2004 4:53 pm
#3
come start a bonfire in protest of the rifleman profession!
APEist_theReb wrote:
btw rifleman are weak!
APEist_theReb
Mon Sep 27, 2004 4:55 pm
#4
TreindTyde wrote:
come start a bonfire in protest of the rifleman profession!
APEist_theReb wrote:
btw rifleman are weak!
bah, come start a bonfire in the interest of the pistoleer, carbineer, and pikeman professions!
TreindTyde
Mon Sep 27, 2004 5:05 pm
#5
carbineer and pikemen yes, pistoleer with bh pistols 4 isn't the best PvP template but neither is swordsmen but when played properly they are a biotch, especially with fencer or tka defenses. I'd love to play a pikemen but they just suck too much. Up their accuracy and damage multipliers and I'm there baby.
APEist_theReb wrote:
TreindTyde wrote:
come start a bonfire in protest of the rifleman profession!
APEist_theReb wrote:
btw rifleman are weak!
bah, come start a bonfire in the interest of the pistoleer, carbineer, and pikeman professions!
Eufack
Mon Sep 27, 2004 5:06 pm
#6
TreindTyde wrote:
Well, I got you attention. For starters, I am a speed capped swords but for quite a while I weilded my hammer with just +75 speed and quite happily as well. Of course it took longer to get the job done but that's what speed slices and speed power ups are for, that and other reasons embelished upon below......keep reading!!
A) power hammers already have an attractive damage range and do not complain about costs from weapon wear for if you buy pre sliced power hammers, speed slices will cost you very little, and power up costs are laughable.
B) Yes, I am aware of the existence of the AP3 T21, but that is a mistake and never should have been put in the game. If people whine that they want an AP3 sword then fencers will want the stun baton to be AP1(again, I'm aware that the jawa ion is AP1, alas I don't care because it is a joke, and is a mistake as well). This causes a chain reaction which completely unbalances the game and then people will want an AP3 stun hammer and I may just be forced to kill myself. Guess what folks, rifleman is the son of a whore on steroid, it never should have been and is way too strong.
i an sorta se your point, but what makes rifleman so stron is their lack of defence. we a a bit weaker then they but we can withstand melee combat far longer then them (thats if they don't stack Skill mods and mitagations)
TreindTyde
Mon Sep 27, 2004 5:09 pm
#7
Eufack wrote:
i an sorta se your point, but what makes rifleman so stron is their lack of defence. we a a bit weaker then they but we can withstand melee combat far longer then them (thats if they don't stack Skill mods and mitagations)
Lasting in combat longer only matters in fencer since they have DoTs, other then that if you aren't putting out damage then you suck. It all depends on the role though. A stacked swordsmen like myself is a great tank and can still do decent damage to high end mobs, paired with a rifleman who just sits back and lets me take the damage, it's insane how badly he outdamages me. So in the perspective roles, rifleman>swordsman. I think riflemen does a better job at dealing damage then a swordsman does at tanking(fencer>swordsman or tka cause of the toughness).
APEist_theReb
Mon Sep 27, 2004 6:52 pm
#8
I've fought my share of exceptional bh/pistol (one with 700+ dmg geo) and still havn't lost. I'm sorry but an awesome bh/pistols should kill an awesome swordsman, on the norm.
TenlossDisruptor
Tue Sep 28, 2004 4:51 am
#9
I dont think the majority of Swordsmen and women are ungrateful - We know how good Swords is as a damage dealer and I for one am more than happy with it as it stands atm (3xmeganerfs aside 
)
All i would like to see is the heavy damage melee "shock trooper" classes, Pikes and Swords, have access to the same level of armour piercing as the "damage dealer" of the ranged profs - Rifles. I'm Rifles/Swords/TKA4xx4/NovMedic and I have a great deal of fun in PvE - not tried my hand at PvP just yet but i'm hopeful i can make it work.
/2credsworth off
)All i would like to see is the heavy damage melee "shock trooper" classes, Pikes and Swords, have access to the same level of armour piercing as the "damage dealer" of the ranged profs - Rifles. I'm Rifles/Swords/TKA4xx4/NovMedic and I have a great deal of fun in PvE - not tried my hand at PvP just yet but i'm hopeful i can make it work.
/2credsworth off
TreindTyde
Tue Sep 28, 2004 2:41 pm
#10
IthArReLLe wrote:
Here is my position/hope for this issue
Berzerk3/CenterOfRage- whatever you want to call it
Such an attack would increase the armor pearcing of ones weopon by 1 point, and decrease that of the weilder by 1 point. Therefore providing balance to such an attack.
Benefits- classes such as sword and pike would be able to deal substantial damage to heavy mobs (regardless of what you say, our damage output on elders is incredibly low, if their resistances were higher we would be toast, therefore, the bonus we get on elders is not a result of sword being overpowered, but that the elders resists to blast are low, same with every class having a mob that has a low resist to their weopons)
Would solve the "ap3 is overpowered" issue by taking an ar rating off the wielder as well.
I don't see this as something the devs would ever put in the game, what happens when you have an AP2 jawa ion rifle going off or an AP4(or however the devs wanna deal with it) T-21. Getting hit wouldn't even cross my mind because the guy would drop before they could fire a shot.
I admit, i love sword, but come on guys, look at the mobs in the DWB, im useless there, if i had an ar3 i could be formidable.
Yes, but that completely takes away from the game, since we can't solo mobs in the DWB bunker that's a good thing for us because it means we shouldn't be nerfed because well, we can't kill everything.
Please, if you wish to discuss any assumptions or points made in this post, please respond civily and do not flame it, flaming gets nothing done but discourage others from entering the conversation if they are not on the side of the flamer.
IthArReLLe
Tue Sep 28, 2004 3:50 pm
#11
a jawa ion would not hit at ap4, it would be ap2, t21 would need no change
more importantly, i was talking about having this for melee profs, and haev a specific skill for each master box
TreindTyde
Tue Sep 28, 2004 5:07 pm
#12
IthArReLLe wrote:
a jawa ion would not hit at ap4, it would be ap2, t21 would need no change
more importantly, i was talking about having this for melee profs, and haev a specific skill for each master box
I said ap2 for the jawa, messed up with that cause I did AP4 (blah blah blah) t21, but it was meant to be a t21
Another issue I see with this is fencers rarely get hit as it is so losing AP1 on themselves and gaining an AP1 stun baton would really just benefit them in practice but not in formula but that doesn't matter.
IthArReLLe
Tue Sep 28, 2004 5:28 pm
#13
we couldhave it drop melee defenses or soemthing, balance can be decided later, but to me, the overall premise is relatively sound
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