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Thread: what is the system to KD by dizzy
First, Dizzy only creates a chance of knockdown. That is, just because someone is dizzy, it does not mean they will fall down. Second, the knockdown only results when there is a change in posture. Thus, if they are standing when you make them dizzy and they remain standing, there is no chance of a knockdown. Finally, the posture change must be voluntary. So you can force a posture change, but if you force them to kneel, and they do not try to stand back up, again nothing will happen. The chance to knock them down will come when they attempt to change posture on their own, such as to stand back up.
Combine all this with status effect defensive modifiers, and even if you can get them dizzy, force a posture change down, and they voluntarily stand back up, there is a good chance that nothing will happen.
The surest way to make effective use of Dizzy is to combine it with an actual knockdown, such as Lunge2. Get them dizzy, do a Lunge2 to knock them down, and when they stand back up, they will usually continue to fall back down.
Of course, if they have high resistances to the right status effects, you are better off not wasting the HAM on trying to achieve the Dizzy/KD and just kill them out right.
slimx wrote:
Yesterday I was dueling with a master swordsman, and everytime I would use dizzy, and then I would do knock down or posture change, and every single time he just stood right back up without a problem.
yeah he might have high combat equilibrium which helps you recover froma posture change. or you may have caused him to stand back up by either kd'ing 2 times or kd'ing and then lunging causeing him to stand back up. this got fixed waaaay back when marksman could spam suppression fire and keep people down. the posture changes go like this standing/kneel/kd/stand so if you can kd a person but uf you do annother posture change on them it starts the cycle all over again causing them to stand and then you gotta wait to kd them again unless your a carbineer then just spam charge shot.
can i KD a dizzy player with lunge 1??
cuz it change the posture!
Dizzy is not a random occurrence in the sense that it may occur on any special. It is onlyrandom in that it may or may not occur for specials that do a Dizzy (Hit3 and Area3), but unless the special is designed to dizzy, it will not occur. (Note: The in-game description of Area3 says that it blinds multiple targets, but it does not. It has a chance to dizzy multiple targets instead.)
Lunge1's effects are a lengthening of the range over a normal attack and a chance to posture change down. Lunge2's effects are a lengthening of the range over a normal attack and a chance to knockdown.
Neither have a chance to dizzy. You have to use another special to dizzy them. If you then use Lunge1, there is a chance they will fall down if the posture change works and they try to stand back up. If you knock them down with Lunge2, they will fall down unless they havea high defense against the dizzy.