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Thread: Scythe is lame In my opinion

Vyse27
Mon Feb 16, 2004 4:10 pm
#14

Well, I mean most people that have on that 80% Kinetic Composite are going to have 80% resists to Blast as well. So, that thing does about the same damage as a PH, except the speed is a lot lower. That Scythe looks like the best choice for a Swordsman to use, in my opinion.



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raider7734
Mon Feb 16, 2004 5:51 pm
#15






lajak wrote:
I think this scythe situation sucks too, but not because of the weapon, the weapon is great (but not uber) i think it sucks because we can only get two of them....




/agree 100%


Should have given Weaponsmiths the schematic for it and just let us loot theenhancements for it from the new dungeon





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XanaXian
Mon Feb 16, 2004 7:52 pm
#16






Herque wrote:

xana man switch to pistols, cai's fwg is disgusting and its better then any weapon we can get (608)




its ap0 he dont even use it. he uses a republic almost exclusively now.




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XanaXian
Mon Feb 16, 2004 7:55 pm
#17







EpYoNTiamat wrote:
Those same people with 80+% Kinetic are probably wearing 3x stun composite. If their kinetic is that high, then their blast is going to be just as high. Your PH wont ever hit the speed cap on specials, this will. Your PH has a lower min damage(though it may have a higher max), so this weapon is ok in pvp.




News flash Most people who are wearing 80% Kinetic on naritus have only maybe 65% to blast so ill take the power hammer there. As far as 3x stun protection there is no way you can have 3x stun 80% to kinetic and 80% to blast its just impossible. Nobody on my server wears 3x stun armor, nobody.






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Artrus
Mon Feb 16, 2004 8:33 pm
#18


FtB wrote:


Wow.. i'm actually excited about the Scythe again now, even though I know the chances of me getting a weapon like that with only 2 uses on the schematic are next to none.

FIX THE 2 USES FFS!!11!123!




Only 2 uses? You have like 15 other uses from your guildmates



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Harmonius
Mon Feb 16, 2004 8:35 pm
#19

Yeah, unless your guildies sell theirs like mine.



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Awik
Mon Feb 16, 2004 9:23 pm
#20

For those concerning the limited use of the scythe schematic, theres a Recordkeeper NPC at Mos Eisley 3385, -4792 where he gives u the option of reseting all of tatooine quests (except Jabba's theme park)..


So there ya go, u can get the scythe quest over and kill more krayts...





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EpYoNTiamat
Mon Feb 16, 2004 11:32 pm
#21






XanaXian wrote:





News flash Most people who are wearing 80% Kinetic on naritus have only maybe 65% to blast so ill take the power hammer there. As far as 3x stun protection there is no way you can have 3x stun 80% to kinetic and 80% to blast its just impossible. Nobody on my server wears 3x stun armor, nobody.








Then I guess the armor I am wearing right now does not exist...seeing as all pieces are 3x stun composite with effectiveness over 80%. Lol, there is a thing in this game called slicing which can increase an armors effectiveness.


Btw, Im pretty sure that quite a few people wear stun armor to pvp, seeing as how their are soooooooo many rifleman, fencers, and pistoleers who all use stun weapons in pvp. If you dont have any stun protection, Im sure you probably die a lot.


Message Edited by EpYoNTiamat on 02-17-2004 12:32 AM



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XanaXian
Tue Feb 17, 2004 1:09 am
#22






EpYoNTiamat wrote:


Tell me that sucks






It sucks.


Now go take that weapon and fight someone with 80% plus kinetic resist armor like Naritus is flooded with. You will barely scratch them before you are dead. When are you people gonna realize Kinetic damage sucks Chocolate Salty Balls.






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ThaWhiteKnight
Tue Feb 17, 2004 1:47 am
#23

No there are plenty of people exploiting known issues in the game to get the required components to make Scythes on the live servers. Even though the Genosian caves don't open for another couple weeks.
FtB
Tue Feb 17, 2004 5:46 am
#24



Artrus wrote:

FtB wrote:


Wow.. i'm actually excited about the Scythe again now, even though I know the chances of me getting a weapon like that with only 2 uses on the schematic are next to none.

FIX THE 2 USES FFS!!11!123!




Only 2 uses? You have like 15 other uses from your guildmates


Yeah I already did. Got 5 Scythe schematics yesterday, with plenty more to come

10 Scythes for Syg!!1

Only thing is, I've known my guildies for years and years before SWG, so I know I can trust them to help me out getting the schematics.

Unguilded Solo'ers will only ever have 4 chances max..



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KauriDog
Tue Feb 17, 2004 6:17 am
#25

Simple numbers

One of the big reasons I weant swordsman was for weapons like the power hammer. Good weapons, really high health and action, with a really low mind cost. Why? Its kind of obvious, im a Master Doctor besides a swordsman. I weant with swordsman mainly for its PvE applications, in PvP I tend to be in groups and act soley as the doctor (I've also debated going fencer, just so the doctor was the hard one to hit).


The Sythe being Kinetic is a problem, as well as the relatively high mind cost.


Lets look at some numbers:

I wear 80% kinetic adv. composite. Why, cause in PvE almost everything is kinetic or energy, and given that there are more creatures then NPCs, kinetic just seemed the route to go. I still have 67% in all the others (as well as the standard high electricity for it being adv. composite, 74%)


So, sythe does say around 500 dmg top end, probably more, but lets just call that a good number. Medium AP is nice, my light AP gets ignored, 20% extra damage for the one up on AP.

So 600 dmg. Now we take that and chop that by 75% to melee damage mitigiation, thats 150 dmg, then where gonna take 80% of that thanks to my armour, wich means against a master swordsman in kinetic, youll do a wopping 30 dmg on a high roll, before specials.


Power hammer we'll say has 400 max dmg, medium armour, but I have less blast resistance then kinetic, so 480 after the extra AP, reduce that by 75% to 120, and then by 67% = 39.6 dmg top end. Almost a good 10 points more dmg then the sythe, and thanks to doctor buffs, the only thing that matters is the mind cost. (My power hammer has a 26, I also have a custom lower dmg one with a mind cost of 10)


The one upside to the sycthe is speed. In PvE Id use the power hammer for specials and switch to it for straight up attacks. Hopefully whatever im fighting doesn't have so much kinetic that its a moot point.



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haun
Tue Feb 17, 2004 9:23 am
#26

i don't know what that one guy is talking about but most armors are 80 percent across the board



stun being the weak spot.



some ubese has low energy.


blast isn't even worth a damn anymore. (another reason not to use the powerhammer in pvp)


again - its a cool weapon with nice dmg but a guy in well sliced armor will still laugh at you.



as for you guys loading up on the schematics - you might want to get some powercubes first.


i bet it's gonna be a lot harder to get enough powercubes for one decent scythe - let alone ten.





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