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NashDarksabre

Thu Mar 25, 2004 6:16 pm

In PvE, counterattack is nearly worthless.

In PvP, it is very good, except it has one complete weakness....intimidate. If you are intimidated, you can not counterattack at all.

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Ahernia

Fri Mar 26, 2004 1:17 am

#15

A proposal that I don't neccesarily agree with/disagree with is having 1/4 of the damage *leak* through, and then have 1/2 of the damage reflect back un-affected by resists/defense. That way it's not unfair on those with dodge or block, but it still serves as a counterattack.

That's for people that think it should reflect damage, personally I think it's a tad unfair reflecting damage or getting to inflict more damage with no drawbacks as opposed to dodge, which would only, well, dodge.

Or we could just have it the same, just brought up to the same frequency as dodges/blocks if theres a disparity.

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LordSaibot

Fri Mar 26, 2004 4:40 am

#16

ok, post publish 7. I am a MHS, Master Brawler. I don'thave skill tapes, but do have a +11 2-handed axe. I fought a MHS with counterinsurgency 1, so he should be capped with 130. I hit him less than 10% of the time while he was moving.

I don't know if that's enough detail. Also does this mean that we counterattack well, or are just too inaccurate or both? Anyway, there's an example

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Obi007

Fri Mar 26, 2004 11:33 am

#17

In PVE it seems pretty useless against high end mobs.

Gimperial666

Fri Mar 26, 2004 1:59 pm

#18

My tests are the same... PvP 4 outta 10 countered with CoB.... PvE worthless 2 outta 10... Checked this a bunch after reading this post.

And I totally agree... this should COUNTER ATTACK... This would help our damage output be where it oughtta be...

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sofrash

Sat Mar 27, 2004 11:58 am

#19

i used /center this was aginst a fellow master heavy swordsman and at that time i was master heavy swordsman and i only had the normal counterattack you get wiht HS

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valblood

Sat Mar 27, 2004 2:08 pm

#20

I have both master swordsman and master fencer, since the hot fix my CA is basically useless in npc/pve even with COB, the number of times I get now is sad indeed since I am a wookiee and at the moment need my defense mods to stand a chance, I agree that higher level mobs such as protectors and spellweaver hit me well over 80 percent of the time in comparison my dodge is very effective and if I see my survivability is in question I switch over to fencer and cob to dodge my way to freedom. I do have to say though that CA is much more effective pvp. than it pve and npc.

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PanzerGR

Sat Mar 27, 2004 9:20 pm

#21

COB never seems to last that long as a master swrdsman i dont think you should put COB+Counterattack in the same light as just counterattack.

I think it should be looked at from a plain vie wof how effective Counterattack is on its own without aid from COB

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SauerSiggy

Mon Mar 29, 2004 10:46 am

#22

Counter attack is defined in the in-game description as

"A chance to counter and enemy attack with a unstoppable attack"

Meaning theoretically, it would only work when fighting a single target. This would explain why in PvE we CA a lot less (I assume most of use draw all the aggros and aoe spam). In PvP we CA a lot more because it's usually one target firing at you, and it's the same target you're attacking.

Basically, i've found counter-attack works only against one target, and only if you are attacking that target.

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StGabriel

Mon Mar 29, 2004 2:37 pm

#23

Thanks for all the great feedback guys. I'll go ahead and draft up a summary and get this to the devs.

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Makarish

Tue Mar 30, 2004 1:22 am

#24

well after doing some considerable PvP testing it looks like nothing changed as far as that goes, i seem to counterattack plenty with COB against other players, even TKM's seem to miss me about 40% or moreof the time.

on the other handthey really must of upped the accuracy on some of the higher level content(ie. anything worth fighting) to the point where the chance of them missing you or you doing a counter or dodge is almost non-existant. protectors hit me for 80% of the time or so and elders NEVERmiss me.COB dodge is more effective than my COB countertattack but im guessing thats more to do with then higher +COB effectivenessthat fencer gets.

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