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"just intimidate they only hit for like 100dmg."

I a master swordsman/master doc. Wearing 90% comp mini-suit armour (boots,gloves,chest,helmet). Watching combat damage from elders. Elders with sythes,powerhammers, and LVA, some are hitting me for 400-500 intimediated, before armour. Are you saying 100 damage after armour, or stacking master brawler,tk or fencer, reducing your damage more?



I still die tanking elders group or solo from time to time. Its the back to back ls specials that take me out. 1946 damage casecade of hatred, one i can heal, 2 in a row annihilates me. Or a lightsaber special after a monster bleed, I lack tk mediate, and have to rely on (master doc), first aiding 4-5 times to stop bleeds, (would except a master surgeon should be pretty good at this).

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Agnius wrote:
"-20% Stun-Stat"

How are you getting stun state on elder, are you hunting with jedi, only time i see stun stick on an elder. I use to be master bh/carbine and never got stun to stick

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Earlieri was a tka...by now i´m master brawler/swords/pike...since the intimidate sticks its not the big prob to stun them...

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Agnius wrote:
"-20% Stun-Stat"

How are you getting stun state on elder, are you hunting with jedi, only time i see stun stick on an elder. I use to be master bh/carbine and never got stun to stick

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I can get stun to stick on a elder. It takes a few tries but it can happen. My template is Master Pikeman/Master Swordsman/4400 TKA/0040 Medic.

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Doratos wrote:

i mean i get hit for like 600 dmg even while theyre intimidated....thats intimidate1, maybe intimidate2 is much better, i have no idea.

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Doratos wrote:

You guys are talking about having 85% base armor soloing these....you must have gotten really lucky on slices or payed a chunk, also the Elders cut through your armor, after fighting a few look at the armor....they beat it up pretty nicely. In my experience they dont drop really good loot, and usually dont drop anything, seems like a waste of time to me. It is fun however, but its not cost effective, unless yo uget lucky....Someone said they do like 100 dmg?! i have 80 kinetic armor and....i mean i get hit for like 600 dmg even while theyre intimidated....thats intimidate1, maybe intimidate2 is much better, i have no idea.

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I cannot agree more that the cost/reward ratio is not good. You spend a lot of time, money (in buffs/armor/food/med packs, etc), and usually don't get much if anything in terms of loot. In my opinion, it is much more effective to hunt protectors, spellweavers, sentinals, etc. Even outcasts seem to drop better than elders. No matter what your skills, you can take out many, many more of these lesser NS than you can elders. Even if it only takes you 5 mins to take out an elder (very few if any can do this without a team), you can easily take out 20 protectors/spellweavers in the same time. Loot is comparable from what I have seen. Now, you do have a small chance of looting something extremely awesome from an elder, but this is a rarity.

As for me, give me protectors and spellweavers every day. I have had lots of luck with them in terms of crystal and skill drops.

Regards,
Ittsyk

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Ittsyk wrote:

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Doratos wrote:

You guys are talking about having 85% base armor soloing these....you must have gotten really lucky on slices or payed a chunk, also the Elders cut through your armor, after fighting a few look at the armor....they beat it up pretty nicely. In my experience they dont drop really good loot, and usually dont drop anything, seems like a waste of time to me. It is fun however, but its not cost effective, unless yo uget lucky....Someone said they do like 100 dmg?! i have 80 kinetic armor and....i mean i get hit for like 600 dmg even while theyre intimidated....thats intimidate1, maybe intimidate2 is much better, i have no idea.

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I cannot agree more that the cost/reward ratio is not good. You spend a lot of time, money (in buffs/armor/food/med packs, etc), and usually don't get much if anything in terms of loot. In my opinion, it is much more effective to hunt protectors, spellweavers, sentinals, etc. Even outcasts seem to drop better than elders. No matter what your skills, you can take out many, many more of these lesser NS than you can elders. Even if it only takes you 5 mins to take out an elder (very few if any can do this without a team), you can easily take out 20 protectors/spellweavers in the same time. Loot is comparable from what I have seen. Now, you do have a small chance of looting something extremely awesome from an elder, but this is a rarity.

As for me, give me protectors and spellweavers every day. I have had lots of luck with them in terms of crystal and skill drops.

Regards,
Ittsyk

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I, on the other hand, would disagree heavily with the cost vs. ratio. I hunt Elders on a regular basis and almost always walk away with atleast one good thing. Out of 5-8 elders I almost always get a crystal, which on my server runs anywhere from 3-7 milion, so tell me how is that not cost effective?Doc buff 15k + Mind buff 10k + Armour (lasts a few nights) 200-500k + Weapon (lasts a few nights)300k = 825k vs min 3million .................... I would say it's well worth it! I agree with the fact that every other NS drops good stuff to and they are easer, but the risk vs. reward on an Elder is much more appealing. Just my 2 cents.............. flame on

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Alstoned wrote:

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Ittsyk wrote:

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Doratos wrote:

You guys are talking about having 85% base armor soloing these....you must have gotten really lucky on slices or payed a chunk, also the Elders cut through your armor, after fighting a few look at the armor....they beat it up pretty nicely. In my experience they dont drop really good loot, and usually dont drop anything, seems like a waste of time to me. It is fun however, but its not cost effective, unless yo uget lucky....Someone said they do like 100 dmg?! i have 80 kinetic armor and....i mean i get hit for like 600 dmg even while theyre intimidated....thats intimidate1, maybe intimidate2 is much better, i have no idea.

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I cannot agree more that the cost/reward ratio is not good. You spend a lot of time, money (in buffs/armor/food/med packs, etc), and usually don't get much if anything in terms of loot. In my opinion, it is much more effective to hunt protectors, spellweavers, sentinals, etc. Even outcasts seem to drop better than elders. No matter what your skills, you can take out many, many more of these lesser NS than you can elders. Even if it only takes you 5 mins to take out an elder (very few if any can do this without a team), you can easily take out 20 protectors/spellweavers in the same time. Loot is comparable from what I have seen. Now, you do have a small chance of looting something extremely awesome from an elder, but this is a rarity.

As for me, give me protectors and spellweavers every day. I have had lots of luck with them in terms of crystal and skill drops.

Regards,
Ittsyk

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I, on the other hand, would disagree heavily with the cost vs. ratio. I hunt Elders on a regular basis and almost always walk away with atleast one good thing. Out of 5-8 elders I almost always get a crystal, which on my server runs anywhere from 3-7 milion, so tell me how is that not cost effective? Doc buff 15k + Mind buff 10k + Armour (lasts a few nights) 200-500k + Weapon (lasts a few nights) 300k = 825k vs min 3million .................... I would say it's well worth it! I agree with the fact that every other NS drops good stuff to and they are easer, but the risk vs. reward on an Elder is much more appealing. Just my 2 cents.............. flame on

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LOL - no flames . Each crystal goes for that much even if not premium??? Wow - crystals only go for that much if they're premium or flawless on Ahazi - quality/good crystals typically max out at 400-500K usually. But each server is different, so it doesn't really matter. What matters is the drop rate of crystals and other loot.

You say that every 5-8 elders gets you a crystal. That's a 13-20% drop rate.

In the past week or so, I've killed 40-50 protectors/spellweavers/sentinals (and a boatload of initiates, sentries, outcasts, rancor tamers and rancors that are alwasy about). Of the protectors/spellweaver/sentinel kills, I have received 9 crystals and a +6 food experiment bandolier (and a lot of junk). Since the skill tapes/clothes are just a matter of luck, let's just look at the crystals. I am at about an 18-22% drop rate for crystals vs. your 13-20% rate of drop. Therefore, I am experiencing a higher drop rate.

But, let's just assume that our drop rates are the same percentage-wise. After a week, I am still using the same armor. I don't have to use anywhere near the same amount of meds (I'm master doc too) as I do fighting elders. And virtually no chance of dying. Additionally, time (both searching for NS and fighting) is a factor. I can find lower-level NS all the time. It takes more time to find elders. When fighting, every group of 2-3 protectors/sentinels/spellweavers only takes me 3-5 minutes without really pushing it (I'm only 75 speed). Therefore, those 40-50 kills took me about an hour of total time fighting. I have only solo'd two elders successfully. Each took me an average of 25-30 mins each. That's two per hour. So, for me, I can kill 40-50 NS per hour fighting or 2 elders. I admit I'm slow now. But remember, my time doesn't really matter - if you can kill an elder faster, you can kill ANYTHING faster - what's important is your individual rate of collecting crystals/valuable loot.

I go back to my main point:

Elders = for every crystal you get, it takes longer to find and kill, it costs more in armor and requires more meds and food. But the real factor is money earned. As I said, even if I got one premium crystal out of those two elders (I got virtually nothing), it would have gone for about 3 mill on Ahazi. I sold my nine conservatively for 3.6 mill. Probably most quality rated, a couple good rated. If I wanted to be greedy, could have probably gotten 4.5 mill for em. More if I got them graded and one was premium. Oh, and throw in that bandolier which sold for 9 mill, and I know what I'm going to be hunting from now on.

No flames - have a great day

Ittsyk

Message Edited by Ittsyk on 09-29-2004 12:00 PM

Message Edited by Alstoned on 09-29-2004 01:18 PM

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JRyall wrote:

It's like the lottery...

You just keep killing the suckers

untill one day your number comes

up and you get that +25 Experimentation

Tape

With my luck it will be clothing

experimentation.

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I have gotten so many broken attachments it hurts