Swordsman Archive

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Noc-turnal wrote:

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Fallsguy wrote:

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Takami-Kos wrote:

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-Dax wrote:

i didnt read all of that, but honestly swordsman could only benifit from a revamp i'm thinking. i mean unless you're dabbled into other profs, swordsman isnt too effective in pvp. easy to kd and keep down. yea they have mind hits, but that's about it.

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Note that swordsman isn't a pvp profession. Swordman ARE PvP profession and not only that we own rifleman if we're in thier face. with player skill you can be in thier face very easily. (also refer back to swordman PvP guide as you will see that only a CM or DoT users can actualy own us)

... there is more to the game than pvp,,, swordsman has by far the best dmg output in PvE......

That's the purpose of swordsman, go fencer if ya wanna PWN in pvp

fencer are weak without acklay baton, which can be lighten down with PSG. if you can afford acklay bone for the baton you certainly can afford one for the power hammer. i never got "pwn" by a fencer who dont have DoT weapons ever. If they can own DoT weapons so can you

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Don't forget master rifleman - with their speed they can easily outdamage a swordsman. Add FS enhancements and skill tapes - fuh get a bout it. They are also extremely tough in PVP. This is the profession thats about to get a wake up call in the combat revamp.

Well rifleman can get speed ehancement from FS and so can swordman funnily enough, more than you need to speed cap the scythe, and dont even say the scythe is weak at cap speed with out damage multiplier it isnt and it does more damage on rifleman than they would ever like. Rifleman are not extremely tough, they can shoot you at long range thats thier abilty, swordman can fight at close range thats our ability. if we catch them thier screwed. (again see swordman pvp guide for more referance)

Swordman has never been weak infact it was very strong till mitigation shows up, but even know we are the most consistance, we havent had many nerfs and we wont be getting them because we got none to nerf. swordman has always been asolid profession and it still is. Combat revemap should give us a define role in pvp and make swordman more fun. If you dont like swordman and think thier weak then you obviously dont know enough about them to be giving advise

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MinimeAbala wrote:

ACTUALLY, as a speed capped swordsman/master fencer and other things, i find that in this day and age of "uber" stun armor and psg's, if your fighting someone with them, a fencers weapon is all but nullified (unless you have a sick ackley baton)

i did some pvp'ing last night. i fought a tkm, fencer/swordsman/ fencer/rifleman and a rifleman/combatmedic i beat the tkm (of course) i beat the fencer/sworsman i almost beat the fencer/rifleman and lost to the combat medic/rifleman (go figuire)

my point is though, all of those kills except 1 battle gainst the tka (we fought several times)were done with my swordsman skills, not my fencer. so fencer isnt so hot in pvp anymore. i used fencer alot for its speed, to apply bleed/blind/intimidate/dizzy and knockdown. but after that, i switched to my sword, stacked mind bleed, cob, and head hitted away. so even though people have 80-90% armor against kinetic and blast, i was still doing more damage with swords then with fencer.

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Message Edited by Noc-turnal on 09-29-2004 01:40 PM

I wouldn't get too worked up about the idle thoughts of other forum posters.

Gabe.

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Fingerofthrawn wrote:

APEist_theReb wrote:

true noc, but i wish neither swordsman or rifleman, especially rifleman, could hit every 1 second. its lame.

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But unfortunately for all of us, it's a reality of the game that probably will never be able to be fixed (what with speed attachments, both AAs' and CAs' available, exceptionaland legendary weapons floating around.) SOE opened a virtual Pandoras' Box with the addition of the SEAs' and they won't ever be able to fully close it again, not without risking alienating the truly hard-core gamers that have, in all likelyhood, been with them from the start. And that is what I was trying to speak of in my original post: that regardless of what nerfs they make to the rest of the professions, combat will never truly be balanced in this game. I would rather see them enhance the rest of the combat profs to somewhat even the playing field so not everyone migrates towards the few combat profs that, right now, have the fewest problems and most benefits inherit to them. Because all this leads to is substantial nerfing.

Here are a couple fixes that I believe would either stall, or potentially eliminate the need for nerfing;

1) Move more of the modifiers to the master levels (example fencer receive +12 and +15 bonuses to melee and ranged defense for the stances tree, but only +5 to each for Master, WHAT?, does this make any sense? Give +5 - +10 mods to the boxes on the tree, and give +20-25 for master-only makes sense IMHO)

2) Make the ranged profs better at close-range-especially at master- maybe giving a master of a ranged prof melee mitigation 2 or 3 a master skipping the others to eliminate dabbling to stack. After all, the master of any combat prof should know how to defend themselves, up-close or at range. And lastly, give the ranged profs, again at master, a useful 360 degree attack (not the cone attacks that they are stuck with now).

3) Move the best weapons of the combat profs up to master rather than scattering them among the trees:

It should take a master rifleman to wield a T21, not a novice- move the DXR-6 (or whatever its' called) down to novice. Likewise either make the scythe OR the PH a masters' only weapon, etc, etc.

4) Even out the profs a little more by enhancing the ones needing help, NOT detracting the ones' that don't.

It seems SOE finds it easier to nerf a prof than to improve it. Why is the fencers' best weapon available at unarmed I ? At least the best PvE weapon (gaffi stick). Why do pikemen get no defensive bonuses at all? (at least from looking at their skill trees)

5) And this is more of a PvP fix- one that would probably take a little work- I don't know coding from jack so it'll probably never happen.... but put subtle alterations that are visible to other players when armor has been modified- say by use of AA's (for instance a light glow to the armor when equipped) and make legendary and exceptional weapons glow so someone knows when they're about to get crushed by that exceptional PH, or super-enhanced armor, and know why.

Beecause my greatest fear ends up being this: with all the SEAs', exceptional and legendary weaponsbought up by the uber-rich and powerful....if they choose to nerf the rest of us in solo combat (either PvP or PvE) they'll be taking most of the content that is in this game away from most of us- and literally handing it to the few, while really not fixing the game, or combat system, at all. I mean, the way this game is, it'll never truly be equal for everybody (I know I'll always be closer to have-not than have), but maybe with some fixes, rather than nerfs and so-called "revamps", it'll be a little more fun for everyone.

Sorry this post got so long, but I like the choice of being able to solo or group, if I want, and I don't want to be forced into one way of play or the other. Yes, it's an MMOrpg, but the choice should still be in the hands of the player, not mandated by the devs......................Flame on, everyone

"Not everyone believes what I believe......but my beliefs do not require them to....."

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very very well written and thought out post.

of course i disagree with the last remark. of course we should be able to solo. we should be able to solo maybe 1 rancor or so at a time. we should NOT be able to solo a night sister elder or krayt dragon, or a bunch or enraged rancors.

you still have the choice. you can solo a large amount of the mobs still, but not the top of the top mobs, and thats the way i feel it should be.

you may look at grouping as more of a chore atm, but trust me once the swg community as a whole gets back to the way it was last summer people well realize just how fun it is to group fight, just how fun it is to struggle to stay alive, using teamwork to take down hard mobs. and also how easy it will be to find groups.

BUT, for this thing to work loot will have to be modified heavily. no more of this super-rare super-awesome crap, but more common useful/good stuff. you should never work hard to kill a tough mob and get nothing as a reward. loot should be much much more common yet no more legendary/exceptional, and more weapon/armor components (although no exceptional/legendary weapon/armor components lol) that would actually be useful.

i am still up for the revamp. bring it on. still, fingerofthrawn's post was very legit

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Takami-Kos wrote:

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-Dax wrote:

i didnt read all of that, but honestly swordsman could only benifit from a revamp i'm thinking. i mean unless you're dabbled into other profs, swordsman isnt too effective in pvp. easy to kd and keep down. yea they have mind hits, but that's about it.

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Note that swordsman isn't a pvp profession.... there is more to the game than pvp,,, swordsman has by far the best dmg output in PvE......

That's the purpose of swordsman, go fencer if ya wanna PWN in pvp

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uh, what rock do you live under? on intrepid, 40% stun armor and imp PSGs have basically made fencer useless (one of my rebel friends has a very nice 500 max baton with ~300 min and he can't do damage to me) other than for their defenses.

swordsman has an insane damage output in PvE and PvP alike... ask all the TKMs I'm hitting for 400-500 damage despite their 60 toughness. All we lack are decent defenses, but fortunately unintimidated CoBd counter feels like I'm still stacked

The only meleers on intrepid that can beat me 1v1 are my friends and their 800 mind/action fire knives... and I'd still put up a hell of a fight. swordsman is a very, very good profession for pvp, but its generally underrated due to low accuracy and not enough damage against 90% helms. considering the growing number of swordsmen PvPing on intrepid, I'd be willing to guess that quite a lot of people are realizing its potential...