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Thread: PvE templete: I am sooooo confused =(
Arrabech
Sat Mar 19, 2005 7:40 pm
#14
serious? i never bothered looking for any. for some reason i assumed they were all over 40 med use. cool.......looks like im stimming e's from now on............krayts watch out : )
Ciwo
Sun Mar 20, 2005 1:11 am
#15
i think your right about investng for medi 2 0 4 0, i heard that elders bleeds were bad, but didnt know they were that bad lol wow and i have noticed in PvE when i am being ganked by squils or anything for that matter, i dont take very much damage unless i am being hit by ranged weapons
Iridescence
Sun Mar 20, 2005 1:16 am
#16
The thing with the bleeds is that they have a tendency to stack. You'll see "You have sustained more bleeding" like 5 times. A tick for 900 is fairly rare but far from impossible if you don't stay on top of it with First Aid.. which I might add requires no medicine to be in your inventory to use.
Ciwo
Sun Mar 20, 2005 1:24 am
#17
Iridescence wrote:
The thing with the bleeds is that they have a tendency to stack. You'll see "You have sustained more bleeding" like 5 times. A tick for 900 is fairly rare but far from impossible if you don't stay on top of it with First Aid.. which I might add requires no medicine to be in your inventory to use.
yeah, well i think you've convinced me, it makes perfect sense to drop fencer to pick up the medic, unless i had a doc behind (which i probibly wouldnt) i would be fighting these elders/krayts solo, to be able to use stim ''insert stim here'' i forgot what they were and to be able to heal bleeding sounds very nice instead of just a little more defense which probibly wouldnt help when fighting these tough guys cause they would hit for 100% of the time. tell me if i exaggerating or making a big mistake lol
KaylBreinhar
Sun Mar 20, 2005 2:44 am
#18
I'm currently:
Master Brawler
Master Swordsman
TK 4304
Fencer 2440
Medic 2000
(Combat Prowess 0040 when P2 hits, which will mean I'll have to drop to 1440 Fencer)
Now for the facts:
Melee/ranged defenses don't mean a damn thing against anything with a challenge level over roughly 70-99. Krayts, NS/SMC, BS, and DW (to name a few) are going to hit you regardless of whether you're capped at +125 or not. If PvE is your game, you need capped melee/ranged def about as much as an extra toe.
I'm thinking of rerolling to:
Master Brawler
Master Swordsman
TK 4300
Fencer 0440
Pikeman 0040
Medic 2000
Combat Prowess 0004
You get crap for stock defenses with this profile, but MASSIVE state defenses:
Def vs. Blind +80
Def vs. Dizzy +85
Def vs. KD/PCD +115/+110 (you could drop to 0040 Fencer and just eat B/E Thak to save 14SP)
Def vs. Stun +85
All of these defenses would be semi-easily cappable from these levels.
Master Brawler
Master Swordsman
TK 4304
Fencer 2440
Medic 2000
(Combat Prowess 0040 when P2 hits, which will mean I'll have to drop to 1440 Fencer)
Now for the facts:
Melee/ranged defenses don't mean a damn thing against anything with a challenge level over roughly 70-99. Krayts, NS/SMC, BS, and DW (to name a few) are going to hit you regardless of whether you're capped at +125 or not. If PvE is your game, you need capped melee/ranged def about as much as an extra toe.
I'm thinking of rerolling to:
Master Brawler
Master Swordsman
TK 4300
Fencer 0440
Pikeman 0040
Medic 2000
Combat Prowess 0004
You get crap for stock defenses with this profile, but MASSIVE state defenses:
Def vs. Blind +80
Def vs. Dizzy +85
Def vs. KD/PCD +115/+110 (you could drop to 0040 Fencer and just eat B/E Thak to save 14SP)
Def vs. Stun +85
All of these defenses would be semi-easily cappable from these levels.
Iridescence
Sun Mar 20, 2005 4:01 pm
#19
DarthDigital wrote:
Arrabech wrote:i agree with havind medic 2040. thats what my template has. even stim d's can get weak when your battle fatigue starts to get around 700ish. and if your on your 2nd or third krayt its likelly to be well over 700 and your armor condition prolly will be pretty bad so having stim d's is nice insurance. not to mention you can let your pools drain a bit more cramming in more hits between heals.
i use stim e's at xx4x medic
Yeahhh.. I just dropped doctor.. and really unless you're a 12-point doctor, 40-med use Stimpack Es are really not much different than 40-Med use Stimpack D's simply because you have to dump so many points into the Ease of Use catagory during experimentation. Whereas on a Stimpack D, you start with 41 or 42 med use right out of the assembly phase and thus can throw all your experimentation points into Effectiveness instead. Buying Stim Es from a 12-point doc is probably significantly more expensive for just a little more power and a few more charges. My 40-use Stim E's were less than 100 points more powerful than my 40-use D's.
Message Edited by Iridescence on 03-20-2005 06:02 PM
Heorot
Mon Mar 21, 2005 8:06 am
#20
Iridescence wrote:
DarthDigital wrote:
Arrabech wrote:i agree with havind medic 2040. thats what my template has. even stim d's can get weak when your battle fatigue starts to get around 700ish. and if your on your 2nd or third krayt its likelly to be well over 700 and your armor condition prolly will be pretty bad so having stim d's is nice insurance. not to mention you can let your pools drain a bit more cramming in more hits between heals.
i use stim e's at xx4x medic
Yeahhh.. I just dropped doctor.. and really unless you're a 12-point doctor, 40-med use Stimpack Es are really not much different than 40-Med use Stimpack D's simply because you have to dump so many points into the Ease of Use catagory during experimentation. Whereas on a Stimpack D, you start with 41 or 42 med use right out of the assembly phase and thus can throw all your experimentation points into Effectiveness instead. Buying Stim Es from a 12-point doc is probably significantly more expensive for just a little more power and a few more charges. My 40-use Stim E's were less than 100 points more powerful than my 40-use D's.Message Edited by Iridescence on 03-20-2005 06:02 PM
dont make your stims, buy them from a 12 pt doctor who makes uber ones
wong-fei-hung
Mon Mar 21, 2005 8:27 am
#21
You don't need high defense vs Elders - they ignore whatever defense you have anyways... unless we're talking about state defenses.
I personally never have a template without stim Ds (or med use 40 Es)...
If you're worried about state defenses, and don't want to drop master pike... do this:
0040 Medic, 0004 Combat Prowess, Master Swordsman, Master Pike, 0440 Fencer
If Ranged/Melee defense is an issue, change Fencer to 4400.
DarthDigital
Mon Mar 21, 2005 8:30 am
#22
just do m2h/mpike/mbrawler/3340 medic for pvp/pve it works just great ask fub or me
Iridescence
Mon Mar 21, 2005 12:11 pm
#23
Heorot wrote:
Iridescence wrote:
DarthDigital wrote:
Arrabech wrote:i agree with havind medic 2040. thats what my template has. even stim d's can get weak when your battle fatigue starts to get around 700ish. and if your on your 2nd or third krayt its likelly to be well over 700 and your armor condition prolly will be pretty bad so having stim d's is nice insurance. not to mention you can let your pools drain a bit more cramming in more hits between heals.
i use stim e's at xx4x medic
Yeahhh.. I just dropped doctor.. and really unless you're a 12-point doctor, 40-med use Stimpack Es are really not much different than 40-Med use Stimpack D's simply because you have to dump so many points into the Ease of Use catagory during experimentation. Whereas on a Stimpack D, you start with 41 or 42 med use right out of the assembly phase and thus can throw all your experimentation points into Effectiveness instead. Buying Stim Es from a 12-point doc is probably significantly more expensive for just a little more power and a few more charges. My 40-use Stim E's were less than 100 points more powerful than my 40-use D's.Message Edited by Iridescence on 03-20-2005 06:02 PM
dont make your stims, buy them from a 12 pt doctor who makes uber ones
I'm not 100% sure you really read what I said..
To paraphrase, a 12-point doc's Stim E's aren't much different than their Stim D's, because you must experiment a great deal on the Ease of Use instead of Effectiveness. They aren't different enough to bother with, its just an excuse to charge more.
wong-fei-hung
Mon Mar 21, 2005 12:20 pm
#24
A1k Stim D vs. a 1.2k Stim E is not worth the difference?
Milgram
Mon Mar 21, 2005 12:40 pm
#25
My absolute favorite PVE template (ruined because of my FS grind)
The Pistol Stacker Template:
Master Brawler - More Toughness, Intimidate II, never make a Solo PvE template without it
Master Swordsman - Duh
Pistols 0040 - Note ranged mitigation II, good times
Pike 0040 - Do this instead of fencer 0040, you get KD def, stun def, and Pos Def, along with the Dizzy and Blind
Medic 3040 - Stim E's
FS accuracy 3 - What a fun quest
Your Stun defence is off the charts. You will never, ever get stunned by any PvE opponent ever. You will get the ocassional blind, and the even less ocasional dizzy (very rare). If you have the means to up your dizzy and Blind Def, you are totaly set. KD is a one in 20 chance at 95 (the lowest possible chance). If you cannot speed cap with +15 in skill tapes, dump either FS accuracy as needed, or go to 2040 medic, and use 4 points for FS speed. Always wear, at a minimum, a +16 medical shirt.+16 pants are ahighly advised addition.
I have tried the Novice Doc state removing template (lack of skill points has pretty much forced me to it), and i do not like it even half as much as the pistolstemplate.The Pistol Stackercan also tank a giant or ancient krayt without too much fear of dizzy KD, especially if you drink some mist. Absolutely great for playing offensive line to a jedi.
THIS IS NOT A GOOD PVP TEMPLATE. You will still get poisoned to death. If you want to pvp, get doc 2000 at a minimum. If you are looking for an all-around template to pvp and pve, go for the Doc template.
Heorot
Mon Mar 21, 2005 12:50 pm
#26
Iridescence wrote:
I'm not 100% sure you really read what I said..
To paraphrase, a 12-point doc's Stim E's aren't much different than their Stim D's, because you must experiment a great deal on the Ease of Use instead of Effectiveness. They aren't different enough to bother with, its just an excuse to charge more.
sorry I missed the last sentence. I've never noticed too much of a price difference myself and have always liked that extra power.
but you're right the diff between e's and d's isn't huge