Swordsman Archive

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Milgram wrote:

Vncula, what are your thoughts on this now that everything has been throughly nerfed (yes, nerfed,the idea thatthis is all a bug is complete bullcrap)? Nothing but faction NPCs and Sith Thugs are droping loot. Swords go through rebs, imps and thugs faster than almost anyone else.

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Hey Milgram, nice to hear from you.

To cite myself: "As long as we don't require a roll back or some other kind of loot drop lowered rate we will be just second hand looters."

If they nerfed the loot(crystals/pearls) on purpose, movinginterestto factional NPCs or to Siths we are close to an ideal situation where everycombat professioncan loot basic items (attachments). But Nyax still drop good attachments and its hard for a swordie to outdamage the 570 (krayt crafted, pretty common) dxr or the 4th gen sabre. You see, at some point they have to fix crystal/pearls drop because they cant take them out of game. So its just a temporary bug and to think no loot for all means I'm a good looter is a little masochistic (you know, no offence on you my friend).

My point is, once they reduced the spawn time for Nyax and Stronghold/Labour elders and increased the spawn for Krayts they consequently nerfed the lone wolf looter (usually a swordie). And they reactivated the semi-AFK rifleman looters. Just think of this:

Pre-publish 12:

1) Swordsman

Log-in -> check inventory (armor, food, weapons, swoops etc) -> refill -> good buffs -> shuttle to Science -> drive by your spawn points -> begin elder harvesting -> return Science (2 pikes 250+, 2-4 premiums) -> 10-24mil from sale -> buy 750+ acklay 6mil -> 4-11 mil net profit

2) Rifleman (or Jedi Knight)

Log-in -> check inventory (armor, food, weapons, swoops etc) -> refill -> good buffs -> is there myTank friend online? ->if no, go PvP, waste some money ->get killed ->log-out OR

Log-in -> check inventory (armor, food, weapons, swoops etc) -> refill -> good buffs -> is there myTank friend online? ->yes, where to go? -> krayts? no, no spawn -> Stronghold? Nah, camped and 2h elder spawn -> Labour? 2h elder spawn, not worth it -> Find elder spawn -> begin harvesting elders -> Did you loot something??? -> Nah -> Did you loot something??? -> Nah, only credits-> Rifleman (or Jedi Knight) Let me loot -> etc... -> split the loot -> Tank: lol I wasted a 300k chestplate, I need money etc -> Rifleman's mind: dang this is the last time Im doing this next time Im gonna go to SMC...

Now (before 13.1):

1) Swordsman

Log-in -> check inventory (armor, food, weapons, swoops etc) -> refill -> good buffs -> shuttle to Science -> drive by your spawn points -> no elder spawn -> go to strongold (CAMPED) -> go to SMC vs NS (CAMPED) -> go to Labour (CAMPED) -> kill elder (NO LOOT RIGHTS) -> go toGraveyard (CAMPED), outdamaged-> learn lesson -> harvest thugs and pirates for DOTs/attachments

2) Rifleman (or Jedi Knight)

Log-in -> check inventory (armor, food, weapons, swoops etc) -> refill -> good buffs -> is there myTank friend online? ->if no, go Nyax -> Loot +18 def vs Dizzy -> Laugh -> Go to graveyard-> Outdamage 8 noobs who tanked for me -> Loot pearls and +150 dam tissues ->Laugh OR

Log-in -> check inventory (armor, food, weapons, swoops etc) -> refill -> good buffs -> is there myTank friend online? ->yes, where to go? -> krayts?YES YES-> Loot pearls and +150 dam tissues -> Laugh -> Stronghold?YES, YES-> Loot -> Labour?YES YES->kill 6 elders, LOOT-> Nice try Swordie...

I think it's enough to take a look at our bank accounts.Wecan see there if Publish 12 was good for us. Anyway, swordsmanhas becomea goodback-up profession...

Once again MHS/MRifleman has become the best loot template (some ppl will tell you it always was). Yeah, sorry, because of Rifles.

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Ochiir wrote:

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vnicula wrote:

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First of all, YAY! i got qouted
Secondly, it is rather pathetic isnt it? too have one single class wich does totaly insane damage to all others thereby assuring they get looting right no matter who their up against.

Message Edited by Ochiir on 01-27-2005 12:32 AM

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Message Edited by Little-Green-Guy on 03-01-2005 03:36 PM

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vnicula wrote:

Hey Milgram, nice to hear from you.

To cite myself: "As long as we don't require a roll back or some other kind of loot drop lowered rate we will be just second hand looters."

If they nerfed the loot(crystals/pearls) on purpose, movinginterestto factional NPCs or to Siths we are close to an ideal situation where everycombat professioncan loot basic items (attachments). But Nyax still drop good attachments and its hard for a swordie to outdamage the 570 (krayt crafted, pretty common) dxr or the 4th gen sabre. You see, at some point they have to fix crystal/pearls drop because they cant take them out of game. So its just a temporary bug and to think no loot for all means I'm a good looter is a little masochistic (you know, no offence on you my friend).

My point is, once they reduced the spawn time for Nyax and Stronghold/Labour elders and increased the spawn for Krayts they consequently nerfed the lone wolf looter (usually a swordie). And they reactivated the semi-AFK rifleman looters. Just think of this:

Pre-publish 12:

1) Swordsman

Log-in -> check inventory (armor, food, weapons, swoops etc) -> refill -> good buffs -> shuttle to Science -> drive by your spawn points -> begin elder harvesting -> return Science (2 pikes 250+, 2-4 premiums) -> 10-24mil from sale -> buy 750+ acklay 6mil -> 4-11 mil net profit

2) Rifleman (or Jedi Knight)

Log-in -> check inventory (armor, food, weapons, swoops etc) -> refill -> good buffs -> is there myTank friend online? ->if no, go PvP, waste some money ->get killed ->log-out OR

Log-in -> check inventory (armor, food, weapons, swoops etc) -> refill -> good buffs -> is there myTank friend online? ->yes, where to go? -> krayts? no, no spawn -> Stronghold? Nah, camped and 2h elder spawn -> Labour? 2h elder spawn, not worth it -> Find elder spawn -> begin harvesting elders -> Did you loot something??? -> Nah -> Did you loot something??? -> Nah, only credits-> Rifleman (or Jedi Knight) Let me loot -> etc... -> split the loot -> Tank: lol I wasted a 300k chestplate, I need money etc -> Rifleman's mind: dang this is the last time Im doing this next time Im gonna go to SMC...

Now (before 13.1):

1) Swordsman

Log-in -> check inventory (armor, food, weapons, swoops etc) -> refill -> good buffs -> shuttle to Science -> drive by your spawn points -> no elder spawn -> go to strongold (CAMPED) -> go to SMC vs NS (CAMPED) -> go to Labour (CAMPED) -> kill elder (NO LOOT RIGHTS) -> go toGraveyard (CAMPED), outdamaged-> learn lesson -> harvest thugs and pirates for DOTs/attachments

2) Rifleman (or Jedi Knight)

Log-in -> check inventory (armor, food, weapons, swoops etc) -> refill -> good buffs -> is there myTank friend online? ->if no, go Nyax -> Loot +18 def vs Dizzy -> Laugh -> Go to graveyard-> Outdamage 8 noobs who tanked for me -> Loot pearls and +150 dam tissues ->Laugh OR

Log-in -> check inventory (armor, food, weapons, swoops etc) -> refill -> good buffs -> is there myTank friend online? ->yes, where to go? -> krayts?YES YES-> Loot pearls and +150 dam tissues -> Laugh -> Stronghold?YES, YES-> Loot -> Labour?YES YES->kill 6 elders, LOOT-> Nice try Swordie...

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I think it's enough to take a look at our bank accounts.Wecan see there if Publish 12 was good for us. Anyway, swordsmanhas becomea goodback-up profession...

Once again MHS/MRifleman has become the best loot template (some ppl will tell you it always was). Yeah, sorry, because of Rifles.

Peace.

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Now that is an excelent description of things as they presantly are lol. I play on kettemoor, so luckily there aren't many ahole riflemen that steel krayts (or elders for that matter). Nyax is another story.

I personaly feel that this "bug" is a completely intentional nerf. Everyone can see the PvE ("upgrade") on the horizon, so mass hording was starting to go into full swing. In its own way, it is actually rather brilliant the way the devs headed this off. First, they flood the market, lowering the price of loot to rock bottom prices. Everyone trys to sell off all their stock before it becomes truely worthless. Suddenly, loot is completely frozen. The devs hide behind a "its a bug" lie, which makes people continue to undervalue their pearls/crystals/SEAs. As long as the devs can convince people that 10 premiums in one buff is right around the corner, loot will maintain a low value, while no hording can take place. After all, why horde pearls for 2 million each, when a hotfix could land tomorrow and make them only worth 1 million each?

As I said before, Impressive. The devs have found a way to have their cake and eat it too (all at the expense of high end looters).

I am afraid i have to agree with your analysis. Rifles currently are the best profession to be at the moment. I am personaly devoting my time to finding and buying (with loot money) chef resources so i can make mad money after docs get a serious nerf.

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Sirfin123 wrote:
Swordsman can still -solo- all those POI's easy. It is much harder for a rifleman to solo the Ack or Nyax for instance.

Jedi are another story.

New Nyax spawn has been slowed considerably. Ack spawn time never changed. Still prefer 'old' Nyax spawn time made it much more of a challenge to get the timing down imho.

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kilermer wrote:

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Sirfin123 wrote:
Swordsman can still -solo- all those POI's easy. It is much harder for a rifleman to solo the Ack or Nyax for instance.

Jedi are another story.

New Nyax spawn has been slowed considerably. Ack spawn time never changed. Still prefer 'old' Nyax spawn time made it much more of a challenge to get the timing down imho.

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Not true, On scylla theres been a rifleman afk camping nyax with an exceptional T-21

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