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Thread: Riflemans Melee Defense twice as high as Swordsmans ??
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Thuna_Nami
Fri Jul 16, 2004 3:08 am
#1
Just today i realized that the Rifleman, as THE ranged Profession in the Game,
has a melee Defense of 40 !
The Swordsman has a melee Defense of 20 !
How can this be justified ? Is the RM blocking blows with his precious T21 ?
I really don't get it.
Don't get this wrong, I like the Swordsman. I think its quite nice as it is right now.
But how can it be that a specialized sanged Fighter has a higher melee Defense
than a specialized melee Fighter.
regards
Thuna
a really frustrated Fish
has a melee Defense of 40 !
The Swordsman has a melee Defense of 20 !
How can this be justified ? Is the RM blocking blows with his precious T21 ?
I really don't get it.
Don't get this wrong, I like the Swordsman. I think its quite nice as it is right now.
But how can it be that a specialized sanged Fighter has a higher melee Defense
than a specialized melee Fighter.
regards
Thuna
a really frustrated Fish
Joshuatree
Fri Jul 16, 2004 3:11 am
#2
Swordsman is awesome in any way. But it needs dabbling with Fencer and TKA defenses.
eq_mind_wipe
Fri Jul 16, 2004 6:29 am
#4
Grrr...
Having some melee defense doesn't mean much to a rifleman, we don't get melee mitigiation 3, toughness, CoB, intimidation. We get hit, we die unless we have the typical godlike doctor buffs which will certainly be nerfed.
As a master rifleman, I'm constantly watching swordsman completely dominate the PvE world, as strong as a T21 is, I can't produce anywhere near the devastation of a master sword with a power hammer.
I don't like calling for nerfs, but I don't understand why a class that is not even part of the star wars cannon or extended universe is the best PvE class in the game.
Coming here and complaining about some other class when you are already godlikeis a bit annoying.
Thuna_Nami
Fri Jul 16, 2004 6:59 am
#5
Someone got me wrong...
Im not complaining about the Rifleman, or about how the Swordsman is.
Like I said, i like like the Swordsman the way it is.
And nobody can tell me that the RM is weak, he's the Nr.1 Damagedealer in the Game.
The only thing i complain about is the inconsistency of the system.
RM is a specialized Ranged Fighter
SM is a specialized Melee Fighter
RM should loose the moment it comes to close combat.
Just like the SM should loose in ranged Combat.
So why has the RM twice the melee defense the Swordsman has ?
SM does not have twice the ranged defense the RM has. its just inconsequent.
I dont want to have the Ranged defense, i just want to show how stupid this is.
I don't call for a nerf of the RM.
(There will be one and i'm ok with it, but i'm not calling for one)
I don't call for making the SM stronger.
(There will be a nerf for him too, and i'm ok with that as well)
All i was complaining about is, like i said, the inconsistency of the system.
regards
Thuna
a badly misunderstood fish
Im not complaining about the Rifleman, or about how the Swordsman is.
Like I said, i like like the Swordsman the way it is.
And nobody can tell me that the RM is weak, he's the Nr.1 Damagedealer in the Game.
The only thing i complain about is the inconsistency of the system.
RM is a specialized Ranged Fighter
SM is a specialized Melee Fighter
RM should loose the moment it comes to close combat.
Just like the SM should loose in ranged Combat.
So why has the RM twice the melee defense the Swordsman has ?
SM does not have twice the ranged defense the RM has. its just inconsequent.
I dont want to have the Ranged defense, i just want to show how stupid this is.
I don't call for a nerf of the RM.
(There will be one and i'm ok with it, but i'm not calling for one)
I don't call for making the SM stronger.
(There will be a nerf for him too, and i'm ok with that as well)
All i was complaining about is, like i said, the inconsistency of the system.
regards
Thuna
a badly misunderstood fish
Naruk_The_Wookiee
Fri Jul 16, 2004 10:32 am
#6
Joshuatree wrote:
Swordsman is awesome in any way. But it needs dabbling with Fencer and TKA defenses.
IMO u need Fencer and Pistoleer...With Pistoleer u can cap dodge and kd and havin higher numbers for blind/dizzy/stun....and keep in mind...the mediation ability will help u only after the fight but not while u are in... 
eq_mind_wipe
Fri Jul 16, 2004 10:34 am
#7
So why has the RM twice the melee defense the Swordsman has ?
I'm not positive, but I think this was implemented way back when, during the time the 2.5x rifleman melee penalty was around.
Either thator the Devs are justclueless. I like to think the latter.
And don't fall into that "rifleman are the number one damage dealer in the game trap". They're not. Anything worth soloing in this game is best soloed by a melee profession, not a ranged, except for possibly a commando who relies on a fire dot. In fact, it takes a rifleman a half-hour to 45 minutes to solo an nightsister elder using conceal shot, the swordsman can do it in 8 minutes. When it comes to soloing, melee professions outshine ranged professions by a wide margin.
DarkBShadow
Fri Jul 16, 2004 10:37 am
#8
hey please people stop complaining about other peoples professions cuz it doesn't matter much cuz eventually we will all get nerfed even thoguh it was pushed back it is coming.
i mean really complaining got so many non uber professions nerfed and i'm tired of hearing the complaining about how other professions are to powerful.
Message Edited by DarkBShadow on 07-16-2004 01:39 PM
Master Swordman Forever ~ Pve wh0r3 
Naruk_The_Wookiee
Fri Jul 16, 2004 10:58 am
#9
eq_mind_wipe wrote:
And don't fall into that "rifleman are the number one damage dealer in the game trap". They're not. Anything worth soloing in this game is best soloed by a melee profession, not a ranged, except for possibly a commando who relies on a fire dot. In fact, it takes a rifleman a half-hour to 45 minutes to solo an nightsister elder using conceal shot, the swordsman can do it in 8 minutes. When it comes to soloing, melee professions outshine ranged professions by a wide margin.
FULL ACK! Being a Master Rifle for round 2 months and droped it a week ago...As a Rilfeman imo u cangive a goodsupport for the melee-professions but soloing high-end-mobs isway harderfor a rifleman than with any elite-melee-profession if done by now.
AspiringBountyHunter
Fri Jul 16, 2004 5:05 pm
#10
Qoute
IMO u need Fencer and Pistoleer...With Pistoleer u can cap dodge and kd and havin higher numbers for blind/dizzy/stun....and keep in mind...the mediation ability will help u only after the fight but not while u are in...
But, you won't dodge while you hold a 2 handed weapon. So being a master swordsman and dabling in those two profs to cap your dodge mod is a waste of skill points.
If you want the melee and range defenses, go master sword, the precision striking tree in TKA and then stances and grips in fencer. That should cap you out in melee and get you close in ranged.
If you want a KD that badly, you still have the skill points left over to master brawler.
DarthVapour
Fri Jul 16, 2004 7:03 pm
#11
RM is so high in melee def because close in solo their much vaunted DPS drops off and without solid defences would actually be useless.
Squill at 60meters. Bang Bang Bang OMG ..Run Like Fun....you have been incapacitated by a ....
It does kind of get in my craw though. Batting aside blows with a rifle butt?
Naruk_The_Wookiee
Sat Jul 17, 2004 2:51 am
#12
AspiringBountyHunter wrote:
Qoute
IMO u need Fencer and Pistoleer...With Pistoleer u can cap dodge and kd and havin higher numbers for blind/dizzy/stun....and keep in mind...the mediation ability will help u only after the fight but not while u are in...
But, you won't dodge while you hold a 2 handed weapon. So being a master swordsman and dabling in those two profs to cap your dodge mod is a waste of skill points.
If you want the melee and range defenses, go master sword, the precision striking tree in TKA and then stances and grips in fencer. That should cap you out in melee and get you close in ranged.
If you want a KD that badly, you still have the skill points left over to master brawler.
For the 2-handed dodge will not work...thats correct but with cob and +100 on counterattack a swordsman has no need to dodge....
so in pve i dont miss it BUT when i go in pvp i mostly have my baton and dot-pistols in use...and believe me...in that way its no waste of points...for sure i´m not a fast killer but most of my opponent will die sooner or later...
so in pve i dont miss it BUT when i go in pvp i mostly have my baton and dot-pistols in use...and believe me...in that way its no waste of points...for sure i´m not a fast killer but most of my opponent will die sooner or later...
Thuna_Nami
Sat Jul 17, 2004 3:13 am
#13
And don't fall into that "rifleman are the number one damage dealer in the game trap". They're not. Anything worth soloing in this game is best soloed by a melee profession, not a ranged, except for possibly a commando who relies on a fire dot. In fact, it takes a rifleman a half-hour to 45 minutes to solo an nightsister elder using conceal shot, the swordsman can do it in 8 minutes. When it comes to soloing, melee professions outshine ranged professions by a wide margin.
Soloing
RM is so high in melee def because close in solo their much vaunted DPS drops off and without solid defences would actually be useless.
Soloing
Everybody is talking about Soloing...
Correct me if i'm wrong, but this is supposed to be a MULTI Player game, isn't it ?
Why is everybody so determined to Solo everything ? Yes, Melees can solo better then Ranged.
Groups of melees and ranged are the ultimate
But i don't want to solo everything. Its just boring. I play this game to have fun playing with other people.
I want a consistent system where every Class has its weakness and strength.
RM is a really great Profession, just like the Swordsman is. But the system is inconsistent.
regards
Thuna
a Groupplay loving Fish
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