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Ok, so here's what happened. I dueled a guy who was a Master Brawler, Master TKA, Master Creature handler. Just melee duel of course. I use 2handhit3 which normally hits melee 700-2000 dmg all the time. I hit him for 300-500 max. Why?We dueled about 10 times to figure out if maybe I just got a low dmg hit on him or something, but nope. He had 700 mind, so I thought maybe I could use headhit3 on him, and that should do the trick. Nope, only did 400 dmg max. I'm seriously puzzled by this. He said he didn't have any enhancements in his clothing or anything, and his Melee defense was only 10 more than me. He was hitting me for over 1k with unarmed combo 3. Can anybody explain why he was taking so little dmg? He also dueled another TKA. This time he didn't use specials, only swung at the other tka. The other TKA however was in berzerk and was only hitting for 150. If somebody could give me an answer to this, it'll help a lot and make all of us stronger vs. other melee.

I probably won't be able to help you on this, but it might help others who can:

What weapon did you use ?....i presume the 2h curved ?

...and i take it he didn't wear any armor either?

Will have to do some testing tonight -- I'd be interested in seeing how other swordsman hit eachother in the same test. I wonder if it might be the type of weapon used? Like in DAOC, slash damage works great against some mobs but not all, maybe we are just weak against hand to hand?

I really doubt that's the case though. I've seen less skilled non-armor wearing TKA's out tank me when I'm wearing 25% - 35% kenetic armor. Wouldn't surprise me if something is broke or even intended because VI or Sony had a hard-on with monk's in EQ.. I'd imagine that some of that translated to SWG. (Not crying nerf for them.. but crying enhancement for the rest of the brawler professions)

TKA have insane melee toughness, with master brawler he whould have about +55 unarmed toughness. That will reduce the melee damage done to him by alot. Which is way you were'nt hitting him very hard

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Talmien wrote:
TKA have insane melee toughness, with master brawler he whould have about +55 unarmed toughness. That will reduce the melee damage done to him by alot. Which is way you were'nt hitting him very hard

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Yep, toughness.

Yeah, I count 53 unarmed toughness for a master TKA, 58 if he was also a master brawler.

Master Swordsman has 38 two-handed toughness, 43 if he's also a master brawler.

Could be the difference.

geez, if melee defense is that good, man, time to go NPC killing =). Need to get some +melee defense clothing enhancements

I was using a 69-259 2.7s 2 handed curved and also a 59-257 1.9s 2 handed curved. Every Lvl 3 attack that I used normally hits over 2k max against melee, but against this Master tka/master brawler/Master CH, he didn't take dmg at all. He dueled 2 others. A Duelist (1 handed sword) and that other TKA. The duelist Chosun with a good sword usually does around 1k against melee. Only 150 dmg on this guy. No joke.

The Master Brawler/Master TKA/Master CH was a transdoshan, but I dont think that really affects anything though. It could be the Master TKA/Brawler, but the unarmed toughness is only 10 more than mine, and the melee defense is only 10 more than mine, yet he was pounding on me for over 1k, while I was hitting him for a tiny 400-500. My friend is a Heavy swordsman/master brawler. Almost my lvl, but I own him even though he has Master brawler, so I really don't think that is the reason why this "certain TKA" doesn't take any dmg at all. It's like he's already taking 75% dmg reduce haha. Imagine after the patch.

Ever try using a TKA special move??

Think carbineerX3, Its REALLY bad. You can incap yourself with 4 specials if I remember right.

its not melee defense

its toughness....

i've dueled many TKA with the same result too.. i think its just wrong.... my reliable headhit3 does 400 damage at its best (sword: 63-233/1.7 or 82-237/2.6)

i don't mind em having good defense, but their offense seriously shouldn't be that good.. we're using a sword damnit.. a sword!... sure they can be mr iron skin... but to also be mr thunder fist and lightning feet?

heh.

another thing... i've been buying skillmods for weeks... and i have never seen one with toughness....

anyone?

also... when it says two handed melee evasion

or two handed melee counter...

i assume that its counter/evasion AGAINST two handed... is this correct? or is it counter while using it..

hmm ok thats it =)

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MrTokai wrote:

another thing... i've been buying skillmods for weeks... and i have never seen one with toughness....

anyone?

also... when it says two handed melee evasion

or two handed melee counter...

i assume that its counter/evasion AGAINST two handed... is this correct? or is it counter while using it..

hmm ok thats it =)

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I'm pretty sure that means when using a 2h weapon.

Ever seen a creature with a two-handed sword?

hehe