Squad Leader Archive

Yeraze, it wasnt us that fell for a red name, it where the trolls, who just follow the DEV tracker but dont know the forums they are posting in.

Im sick of polluting that thread more and more with repeating myself and pointing/linking to our issues and our concept threads for ppl who dont even care to read them.

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DiLune wrote:

Sadly I agree with Crizis. For the first time in 2 years I am utterly ashamed of the Squad Leaders. Tiggs posts and the best most can come up with are whines about communication. When someone points that out he's shouted down as if he isn't 100% right.

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Im sorry if I ashamed you.

The thread was called:

If a developer ever posted here . . .

. . . what would you ask.

and these were my questions. Yes those relate to communication and yes in a certain way its a "whine" about communication.

The crucial point of this lies within Loki_Ashaman questions to the DEVs:

What is your vision for Squad Leader?
What can we the SL community do to help further SL towards that vision?
If you don't have a vision (or any freaking clue of what to do with us), what can we the SL community do that we are not already doing to help form a vision?

How can we help if they dont communciate with us. How can we help shape the profession, if they dont listen to us, or read our post. What is the point of posting tons of ideas if they arent reading them?

To all of you who want to have more then communication whine, just follow that Wiki Link but since nobody seems to bother to click it I just copy the first half below.

Now, if you want to be constructive and post ideas here and get them lost in hundreds of troll threads we seem to have here just because a red name posted here, or want them to get lost in another template question or question how our skill works or why he cant buff his groupmates when he is not leader or on leave and they are combatant, pls do so.

As history has shown, humanity repeats their mistakes, and SOE is not excluded of this. They have so far not communicated with us, which their not knowing what to do with us answere proved, since a simple look or feedback thread or request from them directly, Tiggs, or the correspondent would have solved that problem.

But they didnt.

Now with the change to talk to them, my questions is, is this a one shot like they always do with the smuggler, promising everything and not keeping anything, or is this just a farwell post from Tiggs before she went to vacation.

All those who just trolled that thread pls go home.

Either ask a question to the DEV or just leave that thread. Dont question our questions, and if you have to, PM these to the poster or flame and troll me here but dont clutter that thread with more and more nonsense.

To my fellow squad leaders, let the trolls troll it but dont give them more reasons to troll and dont fuel their fire.
In this particular case fighting fire with fire wont work.

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FROM THE FORUM COLLECTED AND SORTED SQUAD LEADER ISSUES AND CONCEPTS
Broken skills and abilities

• Volleyfire AA's and CA's do nothing
  
• Steady Aim AA's and CA's do nothing

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Issues with current skills and abilities

• The passive buffs
  o need to be shown in the character screen and as buff icons to make them noticeable to the group and other players.
  o are still at their PRE CU values - to make SL more valuabe these should be adapted to the CU and slightly increased (keep an eye on overstacking of defenses with CoB, Dueliststance and Force Aura) or changed to something different.
  
• Steady Aim Accuracy Bonus is to low (see Reworked mathematical analysis of the current status of steadyaim (http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=squad_leader&message.id=24416)) - to be effective it also needs to affect more than just one shot.
  
• Forum Up has no use since dizzy and stun are stats that do nothing - See Skills and abilities that need improvement to be usefull for new ideas.
  
• Boostmoral has no use since wounds doesnt significantly affect the regeneration rate. A suggested fix would be to apply a short time buff (attack speed/health/action regeneration) buff to the complete team via this ability.

Steady Aim
Although this thread is called "Does volly fire work?" it turned into a discussion about the benefits of Steadyaim (http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=squad_leader&message.id=23899). There has been a huge amount of calculations that using Steady Aim in the most common situations will be a waste of action and time since the benefits of increasing the accuracy are so low, that the time it takes to trigger a Steady Aim is better put into some any other shot or action, especially since Steady Aim uses a windup. See here (http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=squad_leader&message.id=23899) for detailed caculations by sylow and yeraze from the SOE forum.

For closer information check out the test data on SL abilities.

Boostmorale
This allows the Squad Leader to distribute wounds of teammembers evenly over the complete team. Already being of limited use before CU (and resulting in negative reactions when applied to an unwarned team), it now is to be considered almost completely worthless and obsolete due to the fact that combat in general creates less wounds after CU.
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Skills and abilities that need improvement to be usefull

• Retreat is not usuable as retreat, since it SAC costs are to high. It needs a very low SAC costs to be used as retreat, so it can be used when the SL and his group are in trouble (low on SAC). To prevent a "retreat macro - continioulsy burstrun" put it on a long recharge timer. [An alternative to the long timer would be a debuff put on the Squad Leader, or possible the complete team, to reduce or even stop action regeneration. With little action use, retreat would still allow the team to run away while effectively eliminating the offensive abilities.]
  
• Rally should be without a windup, if you call for a charge the SL should be able to charge with the group. For closer information check out the test data on SL abilities.
  
• Volleyfire should be :
  o cueable
  o on a shorter cooldown
  o skill modifiers in the 0400 box should have an effect.
  o additional skill modifiers should be put into the master box to make it more attractive.
  
• Forum up could be :
  o a short time action/mind regeneration buff

Retreat
By issuing retreat, the Squad Leader can give burstrunning to everybody in team, himself excluded. Due to massive action costs, this ability at the moment is mostly used for travel and attack and rarely, if ever, for an actual retreat.

Volley Fire
It has two issues, the first is that it creates lots of agro, making it risky to use without a potent tank along. Additionally, the cooldown time seems too long, making the team attack without marked target if a target is killed within the duration of the cooldown.

The second issue is that people need to have their particle effects set high enough, 50% of the slider are reported to be enough, otherwhise the marking of the target is not displayed.

For closer information check out the test data on SL abilities.

Formup
This ability allows the Squad Leader to remove stun and dizzy status on the complete team. (Within range limitations.) Due to those not having a significant influence on game mechanics at the moment, the value of this ability is very low.

New skills and abilities to enhance the profession

• Larger group sizes
  
• Meta groups
  
• Waypoint assignment to groupmembers
  
• Squad Leader XP - A leader of a group should earn XP while leading a group, not by using pistols.

More see here : FROM THE FORUM COLLECTED AND SORTED SQUAD LEADER ISSUES AND CONCEPTS

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Message Edited by _scout_ on 08-01-2005 11:23 PM

/tip _scout_ 1000000

You work WAY to hard. Thanks.

Scout, I'll try to do my part. I have checked the link but some stuff that people don't like, I do and enjoy. Like volley fire agro. I enjoy it. Shows how I could mean to a group if I can p.o. a critter or person that bad. Plus, since you do work way to hard. What can I put in if you've covered it already? If there IS anything, send me a pm and let me know. I want and will do my part. I can scrounge up a group if need be.

Have a look at the wiki page.

The guide as well the issues link.

As I said, I need someone to review both, as well as put their point of view into it and check if Im right with my strategies and tactics and have all issues covered.

Regarding your different view on Issues like the volleyfire aggro and some ideas. I dont want that issues site to be "my point of view" but the "overall point of view of the SL community". It should be the "focused" version of the Concept ideas, since you can as well see what others have posted/edit already and so you just have to put in alternate versions of what you want into it, or comment some ideas from other ppl regarding your point of view and naturally your version of that skill ability or concept.

The strength of the wiki is that we all can edit it.

If you see a good idea and want to expand it, do that right there. - No need for another post repeating stuff over and over.

If you think something might be overpowerd/should be different, put your version right next to it so everybody can see the difference right away and compare them.

Thats why I keep posting that link over and over again.



p.s.
anybody know ubunto ?
Its a linux distribution, and the complete handbook is a wiki so everybody can add their knowledge

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_scout_ wrote:
p.s.
anybody know ubunto ?
Its a linux distribution, and the complete handbook is a wiki so everybody can add their knowledge

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Actually it's called "ubuntu"

from here

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Kharast wrote:
watch out, chunker bunker!

is it just me or has _scout_ been increasingly loosing the will to carry on?

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Not realy lost the will to go on,...

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Sylow wrote:

Anyways, Scout, i wonder if my Friday-Spirit just is visiting you. I now have to return the advise, lay back, cool down a bit, things will look better again.

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... and its not your friday-spirit.

Im still the same, but I cant stand incompetence and thats what SOE is currently displaying.
Further, I dont like those smarta$$ trolls in that DEVs thread. If they have a question, ask them, but dont question "our" questions - where the hell does that helps? And those trolls, just adding more and more "empty" post, making it more and more unreadable.

If you look closely my anger is clearly directed to the DEVs, the community relations department and those trolls.

I admit my repeatingly repeating of my issues in that DEV thread, were pretty close to flaming but Im bringin hard facts, issues and posts, links, concepts and ideas, as well questions about communication and what do they do?
Just troll.

I still wish Darth Sushi could delete some of those post and streamline it. And if Dilune is right that they dont care about links and reading them.

Why should I - we - bother posting anything here?

This is for all you new people, I only have one rule, everyone fights, no one quits if you don't do your job - I - will - shot - you! Do you get me ?!

And so I will shoot any trolls (and DEVs if necessary) on sight, with more facts, link collections, issues and more. Everything I get. And I ll throw it so hard at them that they ll think twice of not listening. To not constantly repeat it in the DEV thread I ll put it either here or PM it to them personally.

I will not post in Darth Sushi's thread again or rant there because I want to keep that thread as short and as focused as possible and so I do ask all SLs, dont react on those troll. If you have another question ask, but otherwise keep that one focused.

/sal

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Message Edited by _scout_ on 08-02-2005 07:24 PM

We get you ... Sir!

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_scout_ wrote:

I still wish Darth Sushi could delete some of those post and streamline it.

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Me too.

As do I. Sir! /salute

*tries to get going in the right direction again*

Another question to the Devs would be, Twi's have recieved a change in their mods from BF Healing and Music to now how quick their buffs get applied. What about the Human Leadership Mod? Is that or has that ever been useful? From what I and every other SL has seen and tested, it isn't. Will it ever be or will it just be taken out completely?

Message Edited by AlienEntity on 08-03-2005 10:40 AM

_scout_ must be in a solo group to have used Rally and Boostmorale on himself!

/salute

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Kharast wrote:

_scout_ must be in a solo group to have used Rally and Boostmorale on himself!

/salute

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Im a Master Squad Leader .

Im always grouped .

I can hardly save myself from invites from my guild and allied guilds that Im +rooted+ +daze+ and paralysed+ the first 15-20 minutes each time I log in to answere tells/emails from various directions (hunts, quests, pvp, base raids, invites/calls) not to forget the usually guild buisness (new potential members asking how they join the guild, ppl having questions regarding certain quests, needing zoning rights, ...) and the usual high council talk with the other councils regarding the direction of our guild.

Im not complaining about the amount of work, its just if SOE wouldnt always throw so many obstacles in my way with their unfinished and still beta-state of the game.

I would love an IMAP server as an email server (priorities, folders, email lists, out of game access !!!! it would realy save me a lot of time in game if I could send and get emails from in and out the game !!!) as well as that the friendslist would offer as much different functions as ICQ/AIM/MSN or any other instant msg (grouping, group msg, notes to each person, sending instant attachments, time zone conversions, as well as sorting ppl by timezones).

I realy realy like my guild, they are a awesome set of very different players but the mix is what makes it so interesting as well as that everybody accpets everybodys playstyle.

So yes Im very mad at SOE but only because SWG has so much potential excluding the fact that its Star Wars.

Imagine SWG would have EQ2 support(moneywise), Guildwar/CoH community support/CSRs and WoW like content with KOTOR/2 like ongoing monthly quests.

AND on top of that its: STAR WARS!

Say it loud, even when your in an office: STAR WARS!

See you had to smile

I think you can understand my frustration with the state of the game .

Anyway
/sal to my fellow Squad Leaders




/whisper Star Wars!

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To flame myself:

My complaint about Dr. Liong Tsiao Huang, Ph.D.

Everybody lock your doors, get a gun, protect yourself! Dr. Liong Tsiao Huang, Ph.D. is planning to eliminate those law-enforcement officers who constitute the vital protective bulwark in the fragile balance between anarchy and tyranny! In the text that follows, I won't bother discussing the flaws in his logic, because he unquestionably doesn't use any logic. If the people generally are relying on false information sown by ruthless jackanapes, then correcting that situation becomes a priority for the defense of our nation. His reinterpretations of historic events are not our only concern. To state the matter in a few words, he may have access to weapons of mass destruction. Then again, I, not being one of the many scummy exhibitionists of this world, consider Dr. Huang to be a weapon of mass destruction himself. We've all heard him yammer and whine about how he's being scapegoated again, the poor dear. If Dr. Huang's threats aren't batty, I don't know what is. I hope it will not disappoint you to learn that if I had to choose the most gruesome specimen from Dr. Huang's welter of unsophisticated gabble, it would have to be Dr. Huang's claim that he understands the difference between civilization and savagery.

Many experts now believe that I am convinced that there will be a strong effort on Dr. Huang's part to sensationalize all of the issues in a lustrum or two. This effort will be disguised, of course. It will be cloaked in deceit, as such efforts always are. That's why I'm informing you that Dr. Huang may be reasonably cunning with words. However, he is totally indelicate with everything else. When you get right down to it, I cannot promise not to be angry at him. I do promise, however, to try to keep my anger under control, to keep it from leading me -- as it leads Dr. Huang -- to turn back the clock and repeal all the civil rights and anti-discrimination legislation now on the books. Let me go on record as saying that the baneful nature of his jokes is not just a rumor. It is a fact to which I can testify. For those of you out there who don't know what I'm talking about, let me give you a quick explanation: Dr. Huang is too catty to read the writing on the wall. This writing warns that his operatives are unified under a common goal. That goal is to preach a propaganda of hate. Let me close where I began: For all Dr. Liong Tsiao Huang, Ph.D.'s bombast about freedom, liberty, and tolerance, he still wants to slow scientific progress.

with help from Scott Pakin's automatic complaint-letter generator

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Message Edited by Soda_Jedi on 08-04-2005 01:34 PM