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Thread: SL template for former Jedi Beater DOwner

Stomis
Mon Oct 10, 2005 7:50 pm
#1

Well I am currently a TKM stacker and can beat most Jedi on my server. I am growing sick of the melee thing after two weeks of template complete and beating down nearly everone of fight.

I am taking Squad Leader (I know you'll hate me) for the Intinidator Pistol. I've always said to myself since CU if I ever go back to the good ol blaster by my side it would be that one... I am looking to build a template that would make me fairly good in 1v1 ranged (I am hopeless on standing up to jedi and melee) and good in pvp. I was thinking along the lines of:

Either - 4044 Pistoleer, MSL, 4004 CM

Or - M Pistoleer, MSL, 4000CM with 0410 Medic.

What do you guys think? Think I'll be wanting to go back to melee?



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MailekEOC
Mon Oct 10, 2005 8:33 pm
#2






Stomis wrote:
Well I am currently a TKM stacker and can beat most Jedi on my server. I am growing sick of the melee thing after two weeks of template complete and beating down nearly everone of fight.

I am taking Squad Leader (I know you'll hate me) for the Intinidator Pistol. I've always said to myself since CU if I ever go back to the good ol blaster by my side it would be that one... I am looking to build a template that would make me fairly good in 1v1 ranged (I am hopeless on standing up to jedi and melee) and good in pvp. I was thinking along the lines of:

Either - 4044 Pistoleer, MSL, 4004 CM

Or - M Pistoleer, MSL, 4000CM with 0410 Medic.

What do you guys think? Think I'll be wanting to go back to melee?




Well as a melee stacker you will probably be tempted to return just because melee stackers are sometimes impossible to take down. The template you have above is not bad though, you have good healing and once our revamp hits some cool buffs to use. Standing up to jedi and melee though you should be able to do ok, you would be limited to 35m so you could get taken out a lot easier then if you were a carbineer or rifleman template.



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ShadowLightning
Mon Oct 10, 2005 8:47 pm
#3

In my opinion, I think you will be wanting melee back. I have 2 toons and both are made for support where I think SL is made for.

I don't think Master Squad Leader will help anyone solo anyone for the simple fact that out of the 18 skills you are given ... you can only put into play 3 at a time. 1) Called shot 2) Paint Target 3) 1 group buff. You can't self buff the solo enhancements and the both Retreat and Charge would do you more bad than good 1vs1 ranged.


The only advantage I see of Master SL is the +135 to Called Shot you'll have. But that's a awful lot of skill points for one skill and one gun I guess.


If you're dead set with that gun then I think both the templates you came up with will be good (Master Pistols being the better of the two I think). But if you change your mind about the gun... I think just taking 1 or 2 lines in SL while putting more into healing or stacking ranged mods and skills will help you more.


Let us know how it works out.





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Giant2005
Mon Oct 10, 2005 10:37 pm
#4

I'd say MBH MSL pistols 4004


with the upcoming healing nerf - cm 4000 is a waste of points as the heals will be pretty much unusable.


with the SL movement speed buff and the lack of pistol movement encumberence, you could kite any melee profession with ease except for maybe jedi with FR1



Not sure how it would hold up against ranged 1 on 1, but someone was saying with SL buffs people can do +212% damage which is tripling damage output, so if you just switched to a rifle for one critical shot, it should be a 1 hit incap





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Sylow
Tue Oct 11, 2005 4:45 am
#5






Not sure how it would hold up against ranged 1 on 1, but someone was saying with SL buffs people can do +212% damage which is tripling damage output, so if you just switched to a rifle for one critical shot, it should be a 1 hit incap




I said that... and, you miss a small detail... you can make your teammate do that, not yourself. You can even make one teammate do that and keep the rest at only a little lower damage output... but you yourself have to keep spamming the special to do that massive damage output and will not fire a single shot.


I consider the spamability of the mentioned special to be a bug, it's just too mighty. For 1 on 1, this ability is of limited use, since you have to decide between the ability or shooting at the target, and if you don't shoot, all the damage bonus won't be any good for you. But in combination with a team, the ability currently is badly overpowered.


Actually i am currently undecided on how i would like it to be fixed... it's teeempting not to report it and go around in godmode, but that's a sure way to get it badly nerfed within days. I assume the "correct" way to fix it would be to give a target something like a 15 seconds immunity to the ability. Once marked, it takes the powered up damage from the complete team once, then is immune for some time, so the team has a nice edge on first strike but can't power-kill everything without a sweat.


As additional info, despite not requiring group leader status any more, several SL abilities after the revamp still require you to be grouped and some are also only applicable on other teammates and not the SL himself. (So, even the "droid or pet in group" trick won't help you there...) So while the new SL offers a little bit more for fighting alone then the old SL, it's still a very bad choice for solo playing.


If you plan to go fighting together with some friends, you can be very valuable for the group. If some balance issues are not adressed, having some SL-dabblers in your group will again make the group significally stronger without an appropriate investment in skillpoints. But if you plan to fight alone, you will hate the SL and soon go for something else.


Message Edited by Sylow on 10-11-2005 01:50 PM






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KJFett3
Tue Oct 11, 2005 5:57 am
#6

1vs1 as a SL against jedi?


You'll enjoy the pistol in your hand while you lay corpsed on the ground. SL is not and will not be a solo duelist profession.





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Stomis
Tue Oct 11, 2005 2:25 pm
#7

I decided I'd rather get a second account. I cant give up my powerhouse Dark Sideish char. But my SL Pistoleer will be a Good ol blaster by your side, yt-2400 piloting Mercenary! Star Wars Style 8-)



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Grozurr
Tue Oct 11, 2005 5:00 pm
#8






Stomis wrote:
I decided I'd rather get a second account. I cant give up my powerhouse Dark Sideish char. But my SL Pistoleer will be a Good ol blaster by your side, yt-2400 piloting Mercenary! Star Wars Style 8-)





Smuggler's alliance freelance pilot + Master smuggler +master pistoleer for the best RP imo always been a fan of Han, though i've never been a smuggler myself.


I'd have to agree i'd rather get a second account as well, but can't really afford/can't stand to pay more than 15 bucks a month, so till i decide to grind out paddy and unlock the 2nd char, it's 1 toon for me.



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Stomis
Thu Oct 13, 2005 4:00 pm
#9

Ahh stickin with my Intimidator and just callin myself a mercenary. M Pistoleer, MSL, 0040 Medic, Nov bounty hunter. I am doing this char on Chimaera instead of a second account. I plan to join a good RP city and create a 4person yt1300 (2400 once expansion comes) crew. I've got one spot filled if anyone is interested in joining me I am looking for player in US.



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SpunkyKuma
Thu Oct 13, 2005 4:28 pm
#10

I am liking MSL/MCarbineer/CM 4000



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gailon24
Thu Oct 13, 2005 6:47 pm
#11






KJFett3 wrote:

1vs1 as a SL against jedi?


You'll enjoy the pistol in your hand while you lay corpsed on the ground. SL is not and will not be a solo duelist profession.







Ok ok i know pre-cu is a moot point BUT MSL/MFencer was so fun pre-cu =)



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