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Thread: Am I the only one that thinks SL buffs are sweet
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Ezran
Tue Oct 07, 2003 9:50 am
#1
I did some checking on numbers. Master Marksmen get +10 ranged defence. I currently have +6 (2 less than expected) I know a high level Teras Kasi who has ~+20 melee defence.
As a Squad Leader, I can double, even triple that value. That means (theoretically speaking) 3* more misses, and much less damage. I'm armor on every group member, with no vulnerabilities, and no HAM costs.
That's huge.
I can double the terrain negotiation value for a master ranger (which BTW, effects crawling speed as well, and therefore increases ranged defence even more)
Granted, I'm still a novice, and I haven't been able to test this.
As soon as I get some more boxes, and I find some friends with time and patience, I'm going to do some test to see what kind of actual effects this gives.
So the active commands are a little broken, or buggy. This game was obviously not ready for launch, and it'll take a while for all of the bugs/balance to be worked out. Enjoy what you have, before it gets nerfed.
Ezran
Retiring Master chef, Novice Squad Leader, Valcyn
As a Squad Leader, I can double, even triple that value. That means (theoretically speaking) 3* more misses, and much less damage. I'm armor on every group member, with no vulnerabilities, and no HAM costs.
That's huge.
I can double the terrain negotiation value for a master ranger (which BTW, effects crawling speed as well, and therefore increases ranged defence even more)
Granted, I'm still a novice, and I haven't been able to test this.
As soon as I get some more boxes, and I find some friends with time and patience, I'm going to do some test to see what kind of actual effects this gives.
So the active commands are a little broken, or buggy. This game was obviously not ready for launch, and it'll take a while for all of the bugs/balance to be worked out. Enjoy what you have, before it gets nerfed.
Ezran
Retiring Master chef, Novice Squad Leader, Valcyn
Jynn_Asaeba
Tue Oct 07, 2003 11:04 am
#2
I can see that coming from Master Chef, Master SL may look sweet. Its the only situation where it does, though.
Look at the Teras Kasi tree, for example (since you mentioned it). Note that in order to get most of his +20 ranged/melee Defense he went up only 1 tree of Teras Kasi, whereas we went up 2. He also has speed bonuses and/or special attacks IN ADDITION to those bonuses in the same skill blocks! We EITHER get the bonus OR the non-functional ability. The only SL block that gives more than one ability or bonus is Master SL.
A master TKA may have less defensive bonuses than a master SL, but for less skill points he has more abilities, a wider range of bonuses, and a mostly functional class. Which is far more than we do.
Look at the Teras Kasi tree, for example (since you mentioned it). Note that in order to get most of his +20 ranged/melee Defense he went up only 1 tree of Teras Kasi, whereas we went up 2. He also has speed bonuses and/or special attacks IN ADDITION to those bonuses in the same skill blocks! We EITHER get the bonus OR the non-functional ability. The only SL block that gives more than one ability or bonus is Master SL.
A master TKA may have less defensive bonuses than a master SL, but for less skill points he has more abilities, a wider range of bonuses, and a mostly functional class. Which is far more than we do.
Noules000
Tue Oct 07, 2003 11:15 am
#3
Master marksmen get +17 to ranged defense.
TKA precision provides +30 to ranged defense.
Increasing your ranged defense by a factor of 3 does NOT necessarily mean you will see 3 times the misses. Generally speaking, you will not.
I'm not sure why you think increased crawl speed will increase ranged defense.
As a note, it's possible to get over +84 ranged defense without SL bonuses. The problem is that most people do not realize the value of ranged defense, and they do not spec accordingly.
The advantage of the SL isn't that +30 is a huge amount (it's a fairly large amount, but not overwhelmingly so) but that it's applied to everyone in your group.
TKA precision provides +30 to ranged defense.
Increasing your ranged defense by a factor of 3 does NOT necessarily mean you will see 3 times the misses. Generally speaking, you will not.
I'm not sure why you think increased crawl speed will increase ranged defense.
As a note, it's possible to get over +84 ranged defense without SL bonuses. The problem is that most people do not realize the value of ranged defense, and they do not spec accordingly.
The advantage of the SL isn't that +30 is a huge amount (it's a fairly large amount, but not overwhelmingly so) but that it's applied to everyone in your group.
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