Squad Leader Archive

I heard that the SL doesn't get the benefit he grants to the group for some things like rally and retreat. Can anyone confirm or deny this before I waste some time leveling?

I think you do get the /rally bonus, negligible as that is. As well as the rally penalties (like being prevented from harvesting, sitting, rezzing, etc.). You do not get the /retreat bonus, and you'll drop about half your mind pool every time you use it.

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Darth_Sushi wrote:

I think you do get the /rally bonus, negligible as that is. As well as the rally penalties (like being prevented from harvesting, sitting, rezzing, etc.). You do not get the /retreat bonus, and you'll drop about half your mind pool every time you use it.

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I have no drain at all from retreat in PvP. Not one single point of any attribute. It is all a matter of preparation. But it makes unbuffed Squad leaders useless. Quite annoying.

Dogg

rally works on yourself, as does steady aim (least last time i used it)

formup does NOT work on yourself for th esimpel fatc that if your under any state effect you cant use it lol

retreat does not work on the SL

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PanzerGR wrote:

rally works on yourself, as does steady aim (least last time i used it)

formup does NOT work on yourself for th esimpel fatc that if your under any state effect you cant use it lol

retreat does not work on the SL

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Not quite true with /formup. You can use it to cure your own Stun states, but you can't use it if your Dizzy.. So you can use it on yourself 50% of the time

I tried using it when i was dizzy. I just fell on my arse. But Yeraze is right... I use it on myself all the time. What I'd like to know is if I get the group range/melee def bonus when grouped. Im sure it's on this forum somewhere, I'll just keep digging.

I'm pretty sure you get all your bonuses, when leading a group.

/retreat doesn't give you the speed boost because it's supposed to be a self-sacrificing maneuver (Even the message "I'll Hold them off!" demonstrates this).

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Yeraze wrote:

/retreat doesn't give you the speed boost because it's supposed to be a self-sacrificing maneuver (Even the message "I'll Hold them off!" demonstrates this).

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Except that you can also /setretreat to something like "Charge!" and change the meaning entirely.

name: eva

Rally : Works on everyone including yourself, only problem is rally is bugged, it prevents sitting, meditation, rezing, some forms of special attacks such as sniping shot.

Form up : Works on everyone including yourself, on problem if your dizzied you cannot use it. So as an SL you normaly have to hang back behind your group. Other wise you have no real chance to use most of your skills.

Retreat : Works on only your party not yourself, dizzy states will prevent you from using this skill.

Steady Aim : Works on everyone inculding yourself.

I never ever used rally, the last time I used rally, I nearly had a group of 19 people want to murder me when we raided, it turned a really good start of a battle, into complete utter disaster. Let just say 5 rebels completely an easly taking out a group of 20 imperials was just completely wrong, rally is the most worthless skill we got, an the most dangrous. If you wanna kill your own group rally is the way to do it. ^-^

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Falric wrote:
name: eva

Rally : Works on everyone including yourself, only problem is rally is bugged, it prevents sitting, meditation, rezing, some forms of special attacks such as sniping shot.

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I never ever used rally, the last time I used rally, I nearly had a group of 19 people want to murder me when we raided, it turned a really good start of a battle, into complete utter disaster. Let just say 5 rebels completely an easly taking out a group of 20 imperials was just completely wrong, rally is the most worthless skill we got, an the most dangrous. If you wanna kill your own group rally is the way to do it. ^-^

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So what did rally do that hurt you so bad, aside from preventing those few abilities from being used? I want to find out before I do the same things against my troops.

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Kaili wrote:

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Falric wrote:
name: eva

Rally : Works on everyone including yourself, only problem is rally is bugged, it prevents sitting, meditation, rezing, some forms of special attacks such as sniping shot.

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I never ever used rally, the last time I used rally, I nearly had a group of 19 people want to murder me when we raided, it turned a really good start of a battle, into complete utter disaster. Let just say 5 rebels completely an easly taking out a group of 20 imperials was just completely wrong, rally is the most worthless skill we got, an the most dangrous. If you wanna kill your own group rally is the way to do it. ^-^

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So what did rally do that hurt you so bad, aside from preventing those few abilities from being used? I want to find out before I do the same things against my troops.

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Well, it does alot of "dangerous" things.

In PvP:
It prevents rezzing & dragging. This can be devastating as your doctor's can no longer get incap players out of harm's way, just leaving them open for incap griefing or deathblows.
It also prevents sitting, which means no meditating either. So the TKA's can't meditate off wounds or disease, nor can they powerboost.

In PvE:
It prevents harvesting. This can be a little troublesome as corpses can disappear rather quickly in a crowded zone (Especially if it's creatures that contain loot), so scouts & rangers usually "ninja harvest" to prevent this. I'm not sure if the new harvesting droids can harvest under a /rally or not.


Used properly, /rally can be a major boost to your group, but it takes alot of practice to know when to use it and when not to. Knowing this is what makes you a true Master Squad Leader, and not another grind-junkie.