Squad Leader Archive

And since our own long time regular SL's have done testing for soo long it's clear to us anyway that it's not a pre-nerf we're asking for but reasonable balance that atleast resembles somewhat our feedback and testing up to this point. Don't get me wrong, the patch looks ok to me but not as is, and the feedback being given now shouldnt be taken lightly. Also before someone els sais it again, We Know that leadership isnt in the skill boxes and it would do good to read through the explainations and proposed compromises. And one more time, I dont see anyone asking for a pre-nerf. What they're asking for is some foresight and more testing and balancing to smooth it out before it goes live as one big mess that will take months to clean up.

[Apologies in advance, as in over two years I've not posted often enough to learn how to quote people properly for these forums...]

I hear you all (KJFett3, Achehece, BadChef), and happen to agree with a good bunch of pieces and parts of what you're saying. And maybe it is better to get some modification requests/feedback in now while the devs are on the case. Though, if that's the way we're forced to think, I believe that's a whole different problem.

And I agree, SL=GL is not a nerf per-se. The thinking behind my statements however that I believe one of SOE's major objectives for any of the past and future profession revamps is/was to address lagging player interest in a given profession. If that is the case here with the pending Squad Leader revamp, then I don't think SOE would want (or should) place additional restrictions on when/where this profession can be used to it's potential, because it would contradict that objective. I can't represent the thoughts/opinions on how a Squad Leader has functioned to date, I'm just a player that might be interested in the profession to reach my ownin-game objectives.

*wanders off*

Message Edited by BlueGlowy on 09-07-2005 12:33 PM

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BlueGlowy wrote:

then I don't think SOE would want (or should) place additional restrictions on when/where this profession can be used to it's potential

Message Edited by BlueGlowy on 09-07-2005 12:33 PM

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and by the way. i've got several tells on my server discussing the use of alts, people are already leveling squad leaders predicting this will go live. bhs pvpers pvers alike. very very sad.

they can't say we didn't warn them.

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and by the way. i've got several tells on my server discussing the use of alts, people are already leveling squad leaders predicting this will go live. bhs pvpers pvers alike. very very sad.

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I yesterday removed my MSL tag again for exactly that reason. After the fourth tell on which line they have to train so they will be able to boost this-or-that property i was totally fed up.

Those who claim that it will not happen are halfway right... it_will_ not happen, it already_is_ happening.

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AlienEntity wrote:
Let me state this for the record AGAIN. I am against multiple SL's in one group. As there can be problems with multiple SL's using different things that aren't for the groups benefit. I am not saying this because I'm MSL, I'm saying this because that IS what will happen. I've seen people do really stupid things just for themselves. I am NOT going to have an idiot in my group that's going to pull such things. My answer to that is kick and ignore. I ALWAYS think outside the box. Rarely in it. Hence why I chose SL as my profession. I didn't think once of myself. I thought of the group I would be playing with and LEADING. Had I been thinking of myself, I wouldn't have stuck with SL for the year that I've been playing.

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Then think outside the box. There can be problems with multiple riflemen if they do the wrong thing. there can be problems with multiple pistoleers if they do the wrong thing. There can be problems with multiple SLs if they do the wrong thing.Why tryto get the computer to save you from another SL doing the wrong thing? Just deal with them the same way you would deal with someone else doing the wrong thing. Do it my way or out of the group. If you aren't GL then drop and form everyone else up on you. If they don't then you weren't the leader no matter what your prof is.

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DiLune wrote:

If they don't then you weren't the leader no matter what your prof is.

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Our glowy friend speaks the truth.

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Sylow wrote:

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and by the way. i've got several tells on my server discussing the use of alts, people are already leveling squad leaders predicting this will go live. bhs pvpers pvers alike. very very sad.

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I yesterday removed my MSL tag again for exactly that reason. After the fourth tell on which line they have to train so they will be able to boost this-or-that property i was totally fed up.

Those who claim that it will not happen are halfway right... it _will_ not happen, it already _is_ happening.

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*sighs* I don't want to remove my MSL tag. *annoyed* I do NOT want more than one SL in a group to grant additional buffs. Never have, never will.

Nice to know its already starting and people are getting their alts ready for it. I hope they do something to stop it or SL will be right back where it started, on the bottom of the list.