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Thread: 5,756 damage with a rifle using squad leader?

Knai
Wed Oct 12, 2005 11:34 am
#14

hell, im all for SL getting a revamp, but this seems over powered, as a bh/rifleman i could kill any jedi before even letting them relise there my mark. a bit unfair on them i think. To be honest i could give them a tell a few seconds before i fire and still win.



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schmeds21
Wed Oct 12, 2005 4:32 pm
#15


Last night's testing (all PvE):



Template: MSL, MCommando, 0400 Carbs (w/ 1 member in my group...very important to be grouped!!)


Improved Leg Shot vs. lvl 65 Lava Flea: 1594 damage


Volley Fire, ILS vs. lvl 65 Lava Flea: 1739 damage


Volley Fire, Called Shot, ILS vs. lvl 65 Lava Flea: 4121 damage



Solo


ILS vs. lvl 65 lava flea: 1594 damage


Volley Fire, ILS vs. lvl 65 lava flea: 1739 damage


Volley Fire, Called shot, ILS vs. lvl 65 lava flea: 2132 damage



Also tested on several 70+ single elite's....


ILS: 730-800ish


VF, ILS: 800-900ish


VF, CS, ILS: 1800-2300ish



Volley Fire, Paint Tgt, ILS vs. lvl 65 lava flea: 2000 damage



*Called shot has to be reapplied after each ILS....i.e. Called shot, ILS, Called Shot, ILS, Called shot....so each 4121 is after 2 attack rounds (2060 damger per round)



*Paint Target applies to every attack until that creature is dead....i.e. Paint Tgt, ILS, ILS, ILS....(2000 damage per round)



IMO, i see this as pretty balanced...meaning, the group with a SL(group leadership) has a better chance to win, than that of a group not lead by a SL....but, all this testing was done solo...so not sure the effects of spamming called shot in a group of rifleman...




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Loki_Ashaman
Wed Oct 12, 2005 6:02 pm
#16

Ok, we grabbed the Jedi from the above post and a MRifles/MSL. I buffed the rifle SL with all the offensive buffs (steady aim, volley fire, blaze of glory, and high yield)... 12807 damage before armor, 8159 after with advanced sniper shot and aim. Yikes... as soon as his 2 incaps pass alittle longer, we'll be repeating the test, but have added the two group defensive buffs to the Jedi.


Oh... we had a BH / MCM attack the Jedi, while he had the 3 group offensive buffs on, that was a very scary sight and a very short lived BH.






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Loki_Ashaman
Wed Oct 12, 2005 6:29 pm
#17






Loki_Ashaman wrote:

Ok, we grabbed the Jedi from the above post and a MRifles/MSL. I buffed the rifle SL with all the offensive buffs (steady aim, volley fire, blaze of glory, and high yield)... 12807 damage before armor, 8159 after with advanced sniper shot and aim. Yikes... as soon as his 2 incaps pass alittle longer, we'll be repeating the test, but have added the two group defensive buffs to the Jedi.


Oh... we had a BH / MCM attack the Jedi, while he had the 3 group offensive buffs on, that was a very scary sight and a very short lived BH.







Next test, same as above except no high yield (for some reason I can't apply solo buffs any more) and the Jedi has Tactics and Call to Arms. 6767 damage before armor, 1993 after. Said Jedi has 5400 innate armor, so 44.8% soak, which means Call to Arms added almost 25.7% to his soak!!




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Larikuj V'neef, DOH Mall: Theed (-5240, 2770)
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Grozurr
Wed Oct 12, 2005 7:09 pm
#18


/cheer for testing...loggin on as we speak if anyone want to use my poor noob toon self as target practice and/or help me to grind up my temp to be able to test.



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Grozurr
Wed Oct 12, 2005 7:11 pm
#19






Loki_Ashaman wrote:

Ok, we grabbed the Jedi from the above post and a MRifles/MSL. I buffed the rifle SL with all the offensive buffs (steady aim, volley fire, blaze of glory, and high yield)... 12807 damage before armor, 8159 after with advanced sniper shot and aim. Yikes... as soon as his 2 incaps pass alittle longer, we'll be repeating the test, but have added the two group defensive buffs to the Jedi.


Oh... we had a BH / MCM attack the Jedi, while he had the 3 group offensive buffs on, that was a very scary sight and a very short lived BH.








not sure, but shouldn't you only be able to apply only a couple of those legally? (1 group buff and 1 individual?) Very scary numbers, wish i was there to see it


oh and you've gotta find a MDef Jedi or TKM to try out dropping all the defensive buffs out on...MDef+Def buffs+Def specials+AI when needed=tank

Message Edited by Grozurr on 10-12-2005 07:13 PM

Loki_Ashaman
Wed Oct 12, 2005 7:28 pm
#20






Grozurr wrote:






Loki_Ashaman wrote:

Ok, we grabbed the Jedi from the above post and a MRifles/MSL. I buffed the rifle SL with all the offensive buffs (steady aim, volley fire, blaze of glory, and high yield)... 12807 damage before armor, 8159 after with advanced sniper shot and aim. Yikes... as soon as his 2 incaps pass alittle longer, we'll be repeating the test, but have added the two group defensive buffs to the Jedi.


Oh... we had a BH / MCM attack the Jedi, while he had the 3 group offensive buffs on, that was a very scary sight and a very short lived BH.








not sure, but shouldn't you only be able to apply only a couple of those legally? (1 group buff and 1 individual?) Very scary numbers, wish i was there to see it


oh and you've gotta find a MDef Jedi or TKM to try out dropping all the defensive buffs out on...MDef+Def buffs+Def specials+AI when needed=tank

Message Edited by Grozurr on 10-12-2005 07:13 PM





Legally, I should only be able to apply High Yield and one of the yellow ones by myself, but as has been reported group buffs don't properly drop from anyone except the SL who applied them.


On the 2nd test (where the Jedi had the armor buffs), I'm still trying to wrap my head around the huge bonus he had, especially considering the attacker had all the yellow buffs... something just doesn't work out, unless the Defender'sCall to Arms overrides the Attacker's Volley Fire similar to how a snare will override a speed buff?


Another note, I still can't apply a solo buff since that first test. No clue why, no message or anything, it just clicks. I've disbanded from group and been re-invited, nothing. My toon must be bugged, because none of the other SLs I'm around are having that problem. O.o




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Larikuj V'neef, DOH Mall: Theed (-5240, 2770)
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Grozurr
Wed Oct 12, 2005 10:04 pm
#21






Loki_Ashaman wrote:





Grozurr wrote:






Loki_Ashaman wrote:

Ok, we grabbed the Jedi from the above post and a MRifles/MSL. I buffed the rifle SL with all the offensive buffs (steady aim, volley fire, blaze of glory, and high yield)... 12807 damage before armor,


Legally, I should only be able to apply High Yield and one of the yellow ones by myself, but as has been reported group buffs don't properly drop from anyone except the SL who applied them.


On the 2nd test (where the Jedi had the armor buffs), I'm still trying to wrap my head around the huge bonus he had, especially considering the attacker had all the yellow buffs... something just doesn't work out, unless the Defender'sCall to Arms overrides the Attacker's Volley Fire similar to how a snare will override a speed buff?


Another note, I still can't apply a solo buff since that first test. No clue why, no message or anything, it just clicks. I've disbanded from group and been re-invited, nothing. My toon must be bugged, because none of the other SLs I'm around are having that problem. O.o





Good lol, just wanted to make sure that was clear in case someone comes in here, sees that, and then goes back and complains that someone got over 12k damage...without knowing the truth.


I'd say the solo buff thing is probably your character being bugged. Have you tried logging off (completely shutting down swg) and then logging back in? i've found that that sometimes fixes the problems.


Sylow
Thu Oct 13, 2005 12:08 am
#22

The weapon used must have been pretty good. While my testing (and worries, based on the testing) goes towards this direction, this exceeds the aprox. +200% damage which an SL, according to my testing, can give to a teammember. (And a bit below +200% to the rest of the team.)


Anyways, there were plenty of people who told those who in advance worried about balance, that we were completely wrong. So my question to those, after seeing stuff like this, do you still think that we won't be in for some direct and massive nerfing within little time if this manages to go to live?


Sorry, but i'd rather take some sensbile balancing now than a quick-shot downgrade later, as the second one will be much more "thorough" and will leave us in the worse shape.







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Mavhawk
Thu Oct 13, 2005 10:46 am
#23

Make sure you post the CL of both parties as well when testing. My CL80 hits alot harder than my CL30 with the same attack against a say CL70 creature.



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Loki_Ashaman
Thu Oct 13, 2005 11:13 am
#24

My posted tests have used a CL 80 player Rifleman/SL vs a CL 80 player Jedi, Jedi is more then willing to be a punching bag as long has he isn't DB'd or tripled, well unless we have a rezzer near by then we can triple him.




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Larikuj V'neef, DOH Mall: Theed (-5240, 2770)
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YseliaAmmo
Thu Oct 13, 2005 7:51 pm
#25



Message Edited by YseliaAmmo on 10-13-2005 07:56 PM



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YseliaAmmo
Thu Oct 13, 2005 7:56 pm
#26

lol I cant get it to work nvm






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